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April 12, 2007

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[00:09:28] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5134 (enhancement closed): paginate report <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5134#comment:2>
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[00:11:43] <ViRUS> is it possible to use trac for more than one project - thus multiple svn repositories - or is this unrecommended and I should just install two trac instances?
[00:16:14] <coderanger> You can only use one repo per trac
[00:16:35] <coderanger> but you have as many environments on single server as you want
[00:21:47] <ViRUS> aye.
[00:22:08] <ViRUS> That's what I was talking about. Environment, Instance, ... everybody calls it differently. ;)
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[00:29:40] <coderanger> ViRUS: They are pretty interchangable
[00:30:24] <coderanger> Just sometimes confuses people when the assume a Trac instance means the whole webserver
[00:33:43] <gordonjcp> coderanger: you *can* have as many Trac environments as you want, but you need to take care when you're setting it up
[00:33:56] <coderanger> gordonjcp: How so?
[00:33:57] * gordonjcp ran afoul of weirdass race conditions at first
[00:34:24] <coderanger> gordonjcp: Thats a subversion bug, and it only affects mod_python
[00:34:38] <gordonjcp> coderanger: yup
[00:34:44] <coderanger> And the workaround is well understood and documented
[00:35:02] <gordonjcp> but still, you need to know about it and make sure you actually use it
[00:35:06] <gordonjcp> it's not a biggie though
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[00:39:37] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5133 (enhancement closed): let users annotate the timeline with discussion for code reviewability <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5133#comment:1> || Ticket #5131 (enhancement closed): Edit files in browser <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5131#comment:1>
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[01:03:04] <absorb> Just wondering, I've seen there is a lot of tickets about this, a lot of them got closed as well, So I'm confused :) The question being: Will there be "bug dependency (ticket x blocks y, y depends on d)" support?
[01:04:50] <coderanger> absorb: MasterTickets plugin
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[01:06:06] <tag> coderanger: Is there full API documentation for trac someplace?
[01:06:15] <absorb> thanks CodeRanger
[01:06:16] <coderanger> tag: Nope, just the code
[01:06:20] <tag> shitty
[01:06:25] <tag> :-(
[01:06:28] <tag> I hate that
[01:06:28] <absorb> is this plugin going to be merged with Trunk at some point?
[01:06:32] <coderanger> tag: The API is pretty simple
[01:06:38] <coderanger> absorb: Doubtful
[01:07:13] <tag> coderanger: sort of, I'm sort of reusing some internal components as a part of my implementation (plus what if I wanted to code against it -- documentation is useful, mang)
[01:07:43] <tag> by code against it, I meant write patches for trac itself.
[01:08:00] <coderanger> tag: What are you looking for docs on?
[01:08:54] <tag> the diff utils, component API, the SCM abstraction API, etc.
[01:09:00] <tag> those three to start
[01:09:04] <absorb> that plugin only supports "blocking" though, there is no "depends on" etc
[01:09:12] <coderanger> diff utils) Not sure there are any
[01:09:16] <absorb> I was more referring to a Bugzilla like implementation
[01:09:24] <tag> coderanger: what do you mean not sure there are any?
[01:09:38] <coderanger> component API) Its just implements() and ExtensionPoint()
[01:09:44] <coderanger> absorb: The difference being?
[01:10:20] <coderanger> versioncontrol API) Look at the Changeset and Node objects
[01:10:21] <tag> trac.versioncontrol.diff
[01:10:36] <tag> doesn't python have something like javadoc?
[01:10:46] <tag> or perldoc, or something else?
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[01:11:10] <absorb> well this way you click on ticket 1234 which is blocking 5476, but if you click on ticket 5476 you can't see it depends on 1234
[01:11:12] <coderanger> tag: It does, but the Trac plugin needs a lot of TLC
[01:11:19] <coderanger> absorb: Sure you can
[01:11:43] <coderanger> tag: Thats for building unified diffs
[01:12:06] <tag> coderanger: for building unified diffs, there is also some hdf_diff() thing floating around there in 10.3
[01:12:15] <tag> which I intend to use.
[01:12:16] <coderanger> absorb: If you have JS enabled the links are clickable to boot
[01:12:20] <tag> I intend to use both, actually
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[01:12:45] <tag> man this new laptop I got is so nice :-)
[01:13:39] <absorb> ok, however making links to exisiting tickets doesn't work though, because they dont have a member called "blocking" yet.
[01:14:19] <coderanger> absorb: Thats easy to fix with some SQL
[01:14:29] <absorb> yes, working on that
[01:14:31] <absorb> :p
[01:14:56] <absorb> they're not clickable for me either by the way, JS is enabled
[01:15:05] <coderanger> absorb: What browser
[01:15:09] <absorb> Firefox
[01:15:13] <coderanger> 2,x?
[01:15:16] <absorb> 2.0.0.3
[01:15:46] <coderanger> absorb: Check for JS errors
[01:17:08] <absorb> nothing, the browser is happy with the page
[01:17:35] <absorb> page source
[01:17:44] <absorb> doesn't show it as a link or anything though
[01:18:59] <coderanger> absorb: Look down in the footer
[01:19:11] <coderanger> there are some hidden divs that get swapping into those fields
[01:19:39] <absorb> nothing
[01:19:50] <coderanger> then something is going very wrong
[01:19:54] <absorb> yea the default one
[01:19:58] <coderanger> you aren't using 0.11, right?
[01:20:02] <absorb> I am
[01:20:10] <coderanger> Yeah, not compatible with that
[01:20:13] <absorb> argh :p
[01:20:28] <coderanger> I do most of my development on stable
[01:20:33] <absorb> I understand
[01:20:38] <coderanger> TracHome being the only exception right now
[01:20:51] <absorb> Will you update this plugin at any point?
[01:20:53] <coderanger> since by the time it is done I expect 0.11 to be stable
[01:21:16] <coderanger> absorb: Probably once a beta release comes out I will start porting in earnest (assuming I have time whenever that is)(
[01:21:47] <coderanger> I maintain too many plugins to keep 2-front development up for long
[01:22:05] <absorb> ok, you know.. I think it's kinda odd that this hasn't been implemented before.. a lot of people are very tempted to migrate from Bugzillla + whatever wiki to Trac.. but this is one of those features that stops people from migrating.
[01:22:38] <coderanger> absorb: The plugin was done about 4 months ago
[01:23:22] <absorb> point taken ;-)
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[01:24:19] <absorb> downgrading 11 to 10 ain't an option I guess?
[01:24:36] <coderanger> absorb: How recent a checkout?
[01:24:41] <absorb> today
[01:24:51] <coderanger> You can downgrade to 0.10-stable
[01:25:06] <absorb> 10.3.1?
[01:25:16] <coderanger> no, the 0.10-stable branch
[01:25:24] <coderanger> would would be 0.10.4 if it was released
[01:25:54] <mkl> hi folks
[01:26:18] <mkl> wondering if anyone here has had problems with svn and trac keeping in sync
[01:26:27] <coderanger> mkl: Not since 0.10.2
[01:26:54] <mkl> i've installed 0.10.4dev with mysql backend
[01:27:02] <absorb> Coderanger: why can I downgrade to 0.10.4dev, but not to 0.10.3 then?
[01:27:22] <coderanger> absorb: Because there has been a DB change between 0.10.3.1 and 0.10.4-dev
[01:27:35] <coderanger> absorb: Granted its tiny, and you can revert by hand if you want
[01:27:50] <absorb> ok, so that wasn't a version 11 change..
[01:28:00] <absorb> because I indeed had to upgrade my repository
[01:28:07] <coderanger> mkl: Ask on ML, cboos was playing with stuff in the sync system again
[01:28:19] <coderanger> absorb: Yes, it was applied to both trunk and 0.10-stable
[01:28:38] <absorb> understood
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[01:30:42] <mkl> thanks coderanger, i'll ask there
[01:33:08] <absorb> it doesnt seem to happy downgrading though, the version number (in the footer) remain at 0.11
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[02:00:33] <absorb> even with 10.4, the "blocks" / "blocked by" are not links.
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[02:20:15] <absorb> Where does the "Ticket" page get generated?
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[02:54:41] <zora> Hi, I've found something strange in the Changlog of browse source but I don't know if I had to report a bug or not. Special characters are encoded in html style (e.g http://trac.edgewall.org/log/trunk?limit=100&mode=stop_on_copy&format=changelog). Should I have to report a bug ?
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[03:14:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4952 (defect closed): Firefox floating prefs box display problem <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4952#comment:3>
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[03:29:57] <cmlenz> zora: please do
[03:30:13] <cmlenz> not sure whether a ticket already exists about that, so you should try a search first
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[03:44:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5135 (enhancement created): Config parse_if_needed() does not handle removing items with multiple processes <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5135>
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[04:22:06] <delight> hi, i looked for it but could not find. Is there support in track for outgoing notification as email about for example the ticket status?
[04:27:15] <delight> upps nevermind
[04:27:26] <delight> found it in the wiki :-D
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[05:17:02] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5136 (task created): Human resources <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5136>
[05:17:02] <zora> cmlenz: ok. I searched and didn't found any ticket about that. tks
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[05:34:52] <Dextro> hello
[05:34:57] <Dextro> small question
[05:36:39] <Dextro> when I click on a menuitem, fe timeline, the link changes to /timeline but nothing happens
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[05:37:05] <Dextro> then all the other menuitems work, but they all have /timeline in front
[05:37:26] <Dextro> Is this some kind of bug or did I forget soms config line?
[05:47:09] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5137 (defect created): special characters encoded in html style into browse ChangeLog <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5137>
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[05:49:22] <ravan> hi.. how do i add new users with trac? i get a "No handler matched request to /register"
[05:53:03] <Dextro> that depends on which authentication method you use
[06:00:37] <Dextro> more info with my question: it's on a lighttpd server with fastcgi
[06:05:22] <Dextro> ok, solved: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.subversion.trac.general/8555/focus=8566
[06:09:40] <ravan> Dextro: i just want to add a new user, either through webadmin or through command line
[06:10:04] <ravan> Dextro: and to use webadmin, it looks like a user needs to be already present, so i'll have to add a user manually
[06:11:48] <Dextro> sorry, no id, I use a htpasswd file
[06:14:08] <Dextro> damn, the url didn't do the trick
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[06:38:31] <ravan> how do i get /projects/project_name/register to work?
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[06:47:29] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5137 (defect closed): special characters encoded in html style into browse ChangeLog <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5137#comment:1> || Ticket #5138 (defect created): trac doesn't support multiple instances with MySQL (0.10.4dev) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5138>
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[07:17:39] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracOnUbuntu edited by allanwsilva@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnUbuntu>
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[08:30:53] <idnar> is there any way to search for wiki links to a particular page?
[08:32:04] <coderanger> "No"
[08:32:19] <coderanger> Its very hard to identify links right now
[08:32:48] <coderanger> Since the wiki formatter is so modular
[08:33:10] <coderanger> You can search for LIKE '%[wiki:PageName%' easily enough
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[08:48:07] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5139 (defect created): SVG does not display correctly as an Image <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5139>
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[09:01:41] <clauss> Hello everyone - has a quick Q about trac 0.10...
[09:02:05] <clauss> I'm trying to get RSS feed from our trac server who has authentication enabled
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[09:02:29] <clauss> RSS reader cannot get the feed unless I login but login in the RSS somehow doesn't work
[09:03:04] <clauss> I thought I can use USER/PASSWORD in the URL to the RSS feed to get there
[09:03:12] <clauss> does anyone know if that works with trac?
[09:03:45] <clauss> Here's an example I wanted to use: http://trac.test.com/test/report/4?format=rss&USER=admin&PASSWD=XCSDF
[09:04:04] <coderanger> clauss: Thats not how HTTP auth works
[09:04:14] <coderanger> http://user:password@host/path
[09:04:40] <clauss> Good idea, let me try that
[09:05:02] <coderanger> That is the accepted notation standard, but not all (many?) aggregators support authentication without explicit challenge
[09:06:27] <clauss> Tried it - gives me error : Page cannot be displayed
[09:06:54] <clauss> Our trac runs Wiki and with the authentication enabled (somehow linked to WIndows LDAP)
[09:07:06] <coderanger> is it using HTTP authentication?
[09:07:17] <clauss> I get a small window pop-up where I login with my Windows (login/pwd)
[09:07:33] <coderanger> then probably
[09:07:53] <coderanger> Do you have to click "Login" before you get a prompt?
[09:07:57] <clauss> Yes
[09:08:32] <clauss> That's probably why RSS reader doesn't see the feed - I doesn't handle that type of login
[09:08:43] <coderanger> Does it support HTTP authentication?
[09:08:50] <clauss> Thus I thought I can put somethign in the URL to make the authentication automatic
[09:08:56] <coderanger> What reader is this?
[09:09:29] <clauss> I use intraVnews = which is Outlook add-in
[09:10:21] <pacopablo> morning
[09:10:23] <clauss> It allows to setup login/pwd for secured RSS feeds that that feature doesn't work with our trac
[09:10:51] <retracile_> Hi pacopablo. :)
[09:12:01] <coderanger> clauss: You will have to talk to your admin about what kind of authentication you are using then. It claims to support Basic and SSPI
[09:12:06] <coderanger> pacopablo: G;morn
[09:12:41] <pacopablo> k, so I have a component that implements some stuff, and I want it to be subclassed. However, I don't want the component to be pulled in when trac goes looking for components, I just want the subclasses to be found
[09:12:46] <pacopablo> any idea of how to do that?
[09:12:58] <coderanger> pacopablo: abstract = True
[09:13:11] <pacopablo> cool, I knew there was somethign like that ;)
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[11:05:21] <clauss> CODERANGE, are you still there?
[11:05:29] <coderanger> I am
[11:05:36] <clauss> I just talked to our admin and we use PAM
[11:05:46] <clauss> Apache has PAM module
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[11:06:13] <clauss> Is it something I have to configure in Apache
[11:06:16] <coderanger> PAM isn't an auth type
[11:06:37] <coderanger> Its a Basic auth backend
[11:06:38] <clauss> PAM module then goes through Winbind to our Windows
[11:06:44] <clauss> loing
[11:07:09] <coderanger> Sounds like your client is one of the many that won't deal with authentication without challenge
[11:07:11] <clauss> I mean Windows login authentication
[11:07:37] <clauss> "challenge" you mean difficulty?
[11:07:41] <coderanger> No
[11:08:22] <coderanger> "Normally" with HTTP auth the server sends back a 401 response to the first request, then the client sends its credentials in a second request
[11:08:43] <coderanger> Your Trac doesn't work that way
[11:09:04] <coderanger> There is a plugin to correct this, but it requires AccountManager
[11:09:45] <coderanger> You could install AccountManager and use the HttpAuth backend with it
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[11:21:43] <clauss> AccountManager is the trac plug-in or Apache plugin?
[11:21:55] <coderanger> Trac plugin
[11:22:54] <clauss> I see.
[11:23:10] <clauss> What does the "use the HttpAuth" mean?
[11:23:25] <clauss> Will I be able to type http:/user:pwd@URL/folder?
[11:23:41] <coderanger> HttpAuth is the plugin that force authentication on format=rss
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[11:23:57] <coderanger> Yes
[11:24:37] <clauss> HttpAuth is also a trac plug-in?
[11:24:40] <coderanger> yes
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[11:31:23] <clauss> Interestingly, I found this link http://trace-hacks.org/wiki/HttpLoginViaRedirectPatch which apparently resolves the same issue
[11:32:42] <coderanger> Yes, except that you would have to patch your install which most places can't or won't do
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[11:43:03] <clauss> Coderange - I can take it from here. Appreciate your help!
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[12:01:32] <elehack|work> my Trac install just gave me an IntegrityError, what do I need to do to fix it?
[12:01:37] <elehack|work> putting traceback in pastebin now
[12:01:56] <coderanger> elehack|work: changeset table?
[12:02:00] <lisppaste5> elehack pasted "IntegrityError backtrace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/39625
[12:02:22] <elehack|work> i get it on pretty much any page (wiki, timeline, tickets)
[12:02:45] <elehack|work> as far as table... I can't see where the table is.
[12:02:56] <elehack|work> the backtrace does mention svn_fs.py though.
[12:03:31] <coderanger> resync
[12:03:34] <elehack|work> coderanger: it happened when I tried to navigate to another page after doing an SVN commit with the svn-post-commit-hook
[12:03:34] <elehack|work> ok
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[12:06:08] <elehack|work> coderanger: that cleared it up, thanks.
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[12:15:15] <strohi> hi
[12:17:43] <coderanger> hello
[12:23:24] <ErikRose> buongiorno
[12:24:53] <retracile_> howdy
[12:27:22] <strohi> language is english?
[12:29:27] <coderanger> Yes
[12:29:31] <strohi> ok
[12:36:15] <strohi> i hope that i have python on this server
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[12:53:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5140 (defect created): Images versioning on the wiki <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5140>
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[13:21:02] <strohi> ok ... no ssh to server
[13:22:49] <coderanger_> ?
[13:23:02] <strohi> i cant install trac
[13:24:59] <coderanger_> Are you saying you don't have shell access to your server?
[13:25:07] <strohi> yes
[13:25:19] <coderanger_> Then yeah, installing would be very hard
[13:25:26] <coderanger_> Though hypothetically possible
[13:25:39] <strohi> i think impossible without the help of the owner
[13:26:05] <coderanger_> You would need to install everything into a folder on your computer, then [S]FTP it over
[13:27:12] <strohi> i remember that something is installed to /urs/share/* but i have no access to these directories on the server
[13:27:50] <strohi> i think i should rent a vserver or something else ... sometimes ...
[13:28:19] <strohi> sometime
[13:30:38] <coderanger_> Ditto
[13:31:33] <coderanger_> tektonic has a nice package thats pretty cheap
[13:31:40] <strohi> do you know an alternativ with php?
[13:31:56] <coderanger_> To Trac?
[13:31:59] <strohi> .net?
[13:32:05] <strohi> yes
[13:32:10] <coderanger_> Nothing that doesn't suck in one way or another
[13:32:20] <coderanger_> You can look dotProject, I think thats in PHP
[13:32:43] <coderanger_> There is also JTrac (A attempted Java clone)
[13:33:21] <strohi> hosteurope has a package for 10€/month ,... i think i try to get these
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[13:38:37] <strohi> thx
[13:39:12] <strohi> i think dotProject is a solution until i can use trac :)
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[13:44:56] <tomas_> trying to compile clearsilver on solaris 9, running into some issues when i run make
[13:45:01] <tomas_> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `features.h', needed by `cgiwrap.o'. Stop.
[13:45:08] <tomas_> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../libs/libneo_cgi.a', needed by `neo_cgi.so'. Stop.
[13:45:18] <tomas_> anyone run into this? know a work around?
[13:48:04] <coderanger_> tomas_: The ML really is going to be your best bet
[13:48:38] <coderanger_> Solaris at all (let alone 9) is still rare for things like this
[13:48:46] <tomas_> ml?
[13:48:52] <coderanger_> @wiki MailingList
[13:48:52] <evil_twin> coderanger_: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MailingList
[13:49:17] <strohi> cool a bot
[13:49:51] <coderanger_> strohi: SupyBot with the trac plugin
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[13:50:29] <tomas_> ya, figured solaris wouldnt be best with svn, but its what was given to me
[13:50:50] <coderanger_> tomas_: Why not Sol10 at least?
[13:51:04] <tomas_> because this box is being used as a build box
[13:51:12] <tomas_> not just for svn/trac
[13:51:16] <strohi> i hope i can code and use python in some month