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April 13, 2007

[00:00:00] <ravan> Hi, i deleted the python-eggs cache and now at the projects listing i get a ".python-eggs: Error ([Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/trac/.python-eggs/VERSION')"
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[00:02:11] <coderanger_> ravan: What is PYTHON_EGG_CACHE set to
[00:02:53] <ravan> coderanger_: /home/trac/.python-eggs
[00:03:27] <coderanger_> Are you using /home/trac as a parent_dir?
[00:03:36] <ravan> coderanger_: yes
[00:03:48] <coderanger_> Then you should put the cache elsewhere ;-)
[00:04:32] <ravan> coderanger_: ok, but it was working when the variable was set to /home/trac/proj_name/.python-eggs
[00:05:02] <ravan> coderanger_: is this a bug?
[00:05:07] <coderanger_> ravan: Because the parent_dir looks at every folder in the path you give as an environment
[00:05:23] <coderanger_> the old value wasn't a direct subfolder of the parent
[00:05:44] <ravan> coderanger_: ok, got it now
[00:05:47] <ravan> coderanger_: thanks
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[00:05:56] <ravan> coderanger_: where do you suggest i put it?
[00:06:27] <coderanger_> ravan: /tmp/.python-eggs is a good place
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[03:30:01] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5141 (enhancement closed): [[latex(source:trunk/a/path/a_file.tex)]] <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5141#comment:3>
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[07:07:38] <otaku42> uh, "nice"... a spammer posted a comment to a ticket, and that comment causes trac to "oops".
[07:07:50] <otaku42> anyone seen something like this before: http://madwifi.org/ticket/97#comment:24 ?
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[07:36:40] <BlueAidan_work> looks like a common question, but I haven't found a good answer yet.... Is it possible to have one trac instance look at 2 svn repo's?
[07:36:57] <ErikRose> Not that I know of.
[07:37:02] <BlueAidan_work> I have 2 repo's: legacy webapp + next-gen version
[07:37:21] <ErikRose> Why not put them in the same repo so you can track copies between the two?
[07:37:33] <ErikRose> I expect there would be some code harvesting going on.
[07:37:37] <BlueAidan_work> they're completely seperate
[07:37:50] <BlueAidan_work> legacy is a JSP spaghetti mess that I inherited
[07:37:55] <ErikRose> Wow, a realy, live, ground-up rewrite.
[07:38:00] <ErikRose> real, rather
[07:38:01] <BlueAidan_work> yeah
[07:38:22] <ErikRose> At least it wasn't the VBScript spaghetti mess I inherited once. ;-)
[07:38:23] <BlueAidan_work> next-gen is a nice django powered beastie
[07:38:46] <ErikRose> I had to run away. Some poor schmuck is still maintaining it.
[07:38:50] <BlueAidan_work> heh
[07:39:17] <retracile> BlueAidan_work, you may want to look into coderanger's tracforge.
[07:40:25] <BlueAidan_work> hmm, hadn't seen that... was looking at InterTrac
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[07:42:31] * retracile thinks trac-hacks is slow....
[07:42:39] <retracile> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracForgePlugin
[07:42:51] <BlueAidan_work> ty, looking at it now
[07:42:57] <retracile> @faq tracforge
[07:42:57] <evil_twin> retracile: "tracforge" is http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracForgePlugin -- Expermiental Trac multi-project support
[07:43:02] <BlueAidan_work> jeez, took me 3 tries to type "it"
[07:43:13] <retracile> Cool, evil_twin does know about it. :)
[07:44:13] <BlueAidan_work> this isn't going to make a smoking wreck of my server is it?
[07:44:15] <BlueAidan_work> :D
[07:45:14] <retracile> Ask coderanger ;)
[07:45:43] <retracile> (I've heard him say he's been using it on some significant sites, but I have no first-hand experience with it.)
[07:46:38] <BlueAidan_work> I'll take 'er for a spin today
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[07:54:37] <BlueAidan_work> hmm, do the other trac env's need a seperate db?
[07:55:22] <ErikRose> Typically, every Trac env has its own DB. Is that what you're asking?
[07:55:28] <ErikRose> I don't know if TracForge changes that.
[07:55:33] <BlueAidan_work> k
[08:01:25] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5143 (defect created): Roadmap error on exporting to iCalendar <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5143>
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[09:04:38] <robin> hello
[09:05:04] <robin> il y a quelqu'un ici?
[09:05:10] <misc> sorry ?
[09:05:17] <robin> is there somebody here ?
[09:05:24] <misc> well, likely, yes
[09:05:51] <robin> it's the first time I use irc
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[09:08:58] <robin> is there somebody who know linux ? I have a problem and i don't know what to do
[09:10:02] <nod> go ahead and ask your question
[09:10:07] <nod> if someone knows, they'll help
[09:10:25] <robin> hum ...ok
[09:10:48] <robin> but it's a big problem (for me)
[09:11:40] <robin> I have 64 studio since few monce
[09:12:03] <robin> and yesterday, i turn on my computer
[09:13:09] <robin> I put my login and my password to connect my session
[09:13:22] <misc> i think you are on the wrong irc channel
[09:13:22] <nod> (connect to your trac session?)
[09:13:56] <misc> robin: you should ask on #linuxfr, or a similar channel, or maybe on lea-linux.org, a french website to help people on free software
[09:14:04] <robin> ho
[09:14:18] <robin> I think trac is like linux
[09:14:28] <robin> what is trac?
[09:14:33] <misc> trac is a bug tracking system :)
[09:14:36] <nod> desole, mais trac est pour les bugs dons logiciel
[09:14:48] <robin> merci pour le français :D
[09:14:54] <nod> :)
[09:14:56] <robin> ok
[09:15:03] <robin> je comprend, I know
[09:15:06] <nod> bonne chance avec ta probleme
[09:15:11] <robin> merci
[09:15:21] <robin> thank you, i'm going to #linuxfr
[09:15:22] <robin> by
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[09:15:26] <nod> heh
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[09:15:38] <nod> i kept waiting "sooo.. where's the trac prob?" ;)
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[09:16:12] <misc> it's not uncommon to see people coming here and asking question about project using trac, instead of trac question
[09:17:08] <nod> that makes sense
[09:17:43] <misc> i think keeping defaut trac documentation in the wiki is the main reason :)
[09:17:57] <nod> good point
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[09:31:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5144 (enhancement created): Make $USER magic variable accessible in TracQuery Expressions <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5144>
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[09:38:17] <BlueAidan_work> hmm, I'm getting a syntax error when I try to upgrade a trac env
[09:38:31] <BlueAidan_work> Command failed: syntax error at or near "user"
[09:38:31] <BlueAidan_work> LINE 3: user text,
[09:38:31] <BlueAidan_work> ^
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[09:44:13] <BlueAidan_work> where's the SQL that would be executed?
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[09:57:13] <Marlun> Hello! :) Which python version is/will be prefered with Trac 0.11?
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[10:11:04] <Marlun> Also, if using FastCGI is any special python version perfered?
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[10:32:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5145 (defect created): if you create a version with a space in the title you can't delete it. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5145>
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[10:48:35] <m_g> uhm
[10:49:14] <m_g> php highlighting = {{{\n#!php .... }}}, no?
[10:56:33] <m_g> ah nm
[11:02:21] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5144 (enhancement closed): Make $USER magic variable accessible in TracQuery Expressions <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5144#comment:1>
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[11:14:14] <BlueAidan_work> hmm, I'm having a problem upgrading the db schema for a trac env. The previous version was like .9.3 or so, and now I'm using .10.3.1
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[11:35:22] <ErikRose> Marlun: 2.4.4 works for me.
[11:35:37] <ErikRose> Marlun: But no, anything works.
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[11:41:05] <cboos> hello guys
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[11:42:02] <cboos> hey cmlenz
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[11:42:40] <cmlenz> howdy
[11:42:58] <cboos> I'm hoping to be able to look at the workflow this evening
[11:44:03] <cmlenz> okay… personally I haven't had a chance to look at it lately
[11:44:22] <cmlenz> replace "lately" with "ever since alec's early work"
[11:44:31] <cboos> same here ... since I asked for the review I didn't look at it :P)
[11:44:50] <cboos> but now time should be ripe ...
[11:45:06] <cboos> I also have a bunch of uncommitted changes on the vc-refactoring level
[11:45:15] <cmlenz> the wiki page isn't uptodate, is it?
[11:45:26] <cboos> for WorkFlow? no
[11:45:34] <cmlenz> too bad
[11:45:37] <cboos> I don't think so, at least let me check
[11:46:02] <cmlenz> about vc-refactoring, I think it'd be a good idea to separate the controller stuff out of there... the old mixing unrelated concerns in a single branch topic
[11:46:16] <cboos> Workflow : definitely not uptodate
[11:47:11] <cboos> well, the current vc-refactoring is mostly only about the controller stuff changes
[11:47:32] <cmlenz> then it's pretty badly named
[11:47:37] <cboos> you remember how it started: Peter Dimov wanted to clean-up the code
[11:47:52] <cboos> and started to split out the huge methods in smaller ones, etc.
[11:48:32] <cboos> then in a separate object; from then on, the switch to the controller-related changes were quite natural
[11:48:58] <cboos> but there's definitely a trac/web only part
[11:49:12] <cboos> only that the versioncontrol area "exercises" it
[11:49:49] <cboos> I'm not sure if you had the chance to check the VcRefactoring/Controller page, where the changes are summarized
[11:49:49] <cmlenz> I'd strongly prefer this stuff to be postponed to after 0.11
[11:50:27] <cboos> well, that's an option, as I wanted to concentrate on the vc layer in 0.12 anyway
[11:50:39] <cboos> and there's so much stuff remaining to do ...
[11:50:44] <cboos> for 0.10.5 even ;-)
[11:51:54] <BlueAidan_work> is there a way to tell what schema version a trac env is using (postgres) ?
[11:52:17] <cboos> select value from system where name='database_version';
[11:52:34] <cboos> (not specific to pg, works in any db backend)
[11:52:39] <BlueAidan_work> I upgraded trac, and now the trac-admin upgrade bit is throwing syntax errors
[11:53:37] <cboos> ... more details?
[11:53:51] <cboos> lisppaste5: url
[11:53:51] <lisppaste5> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac and enter your paste.
[11:57:38] <BlueAidan_work> hmm, appears to be related to TracForge
[11:58:19] <lisppaste5> BlueAidan_work pasted "debug log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/39689
[11:58:31] <cboos> cmlenz: are you now using 0.10.4dev with success?
[11:58:44] <cmlenz> yeah
[11:58:56] <cboos> I didn't get any news from jonas, last time I asked him about cutting out a release...
[11:59:04] <cboos> what about you? ;-)
[11:59:18] <cboos> will you run away if I ask?
[11:59:25] <cboos> ;-)
[12:00:02] <cboos> of course, the mysql situation still s*cks a bit, but nobody seems to really care... (dilinger where are you?)
[12:02:23] <BlueAidan_work> I'm not seeing where the SQL is stored for TracForge to do the update
[12:03:44] <cboos> maybe 'user' is a reserved keyword in postgresql
[12:04:30] <BlueAidan_work> it is
[12:04:42] <BlueAidan_work> I'm not able to find the line that's causing the syntax error
[12:05:09] * cboos looking
[12:05:25] <cboos> btw., spam on trachacks:#1 ...
[12:06:31] <cboos> ... and http://tracforge.net "is taking too long to respond."
[12:06:42] <cboos> BlueAidan_work: sorry ;-)
[12:06:53] <cboos> but I remember having seen some sql scripts there
[12:06:58] <cboos> not sure where
[12:07:10] <BlueAidan_work> actually, it's not that
[12:07:11] <BlueAidan_work> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracForgePlugin
[12:07:58] <BlueAidan_work> a simple grep thru the source hasn't showed anything
[12:08:51] <cboos> well, it must be... we don't have a user field anywhere in trac schema
[12:09:21] <cboos> but the sql script is perhaps not stored together with the python source
[12:09:52] <cboos> bottom line: better ask coderanger_ ;-)
[12:09:54] <cmlenz> cboos: sure, we can cut a release next week
[12:10:05] <cmlenz> (not enough time this weekend, though)
[12:10:40] <cboos> ah, that would be appreciated by many, I suppose. So yes, if we can find some time next week, that'll be great.
[12:11:47] <retracile> Did I hear something about workflow? ;)
[12:12:00] <cboos> yes ;-)
[12:12:04] <cmlenz> yeah retracile... update that wiki page ;-)
[12:12:14] <retracile> cmlenz: Headed there.
[12:12:19] <cmlenz> or do you wanna make us actually read the code ;-)
[12:12:39] <retracile> I'
[12:12:43] <cboos> ... but too bad, "Dora the Explorer" is now finished, so I guess I'll have to feed my daughter before being able to review it further ;-)
[12:12:45] <retracile> d like that too. :)
[12:12:57] <BlueAidan_work> if the SQL for TracForge doesn't come with the egg that I create where else would it be?
[12:13:11] <cboos> I'll be back in 1 hour or so - see you
[12:13:21] <BlueAidan_work> ah well
[12:13:53] <retracile> Oh wow, the WorkFlow page is /really/ out of date.
[12:14:16] <retracile> I'll try to update that later today.
[12:17:04] <cmlenz> that'd be awesome
[12:19:05] <Marlun> If I want to test 0.11dev I should still do a checkout on the subversion repositoru right? I can't use easy_install yet?
[12:21:25] <cmlenz> I think you can
[12:22:03] <cmlenz> something like:
[12:22:13] <cmlenz> easy_install -U http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/trac/trunk
[12:22:18] <cmlenz> haven't tried that though
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[12:35:54] <Marlun> Ok :) Before when I installed Trac on my shared host I had this: "exec /home/marlun/packages/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi" in my index.fcgi, but there is no such file now... and this doesn't work I get a 500 error when trying to visit the page.
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[12:44:22] <Marlun> There is a trac.fcgi inside the directory with the files I got from the repository, should I copy that one somewhere and use it in the index.fcgi?
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[12:56:41] <Marlun> I tried to use it from where it is in the repository folder but that didn't work.
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[13:33:05] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: WorkFlow edited by ecarter <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow> || WorkFlow edited by ecarter <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow>
[13:36:04] <retracile> evil_twin, I suspect you're going to sound like a broken record... ;D
[13:36:04] <evil_twin> retracile: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
[13:43:59] <cboos> eli, about the phase 2, I'd be good if you take into account the possibility to easily "customize" the rendering of fields
[13:44:05] <cboos> e.g.
[13:44:17] <cboos> @ticket 449
[13:44:17] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/449
[13:44:24] <cboos> for the milestone field
[13:45:06] <retracile> That
[13:45:26] <retracile> 's part of the custom field types, as I understand it.
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[13:46:01] <cboos> well, yes but should be possible to do for "standard" fields as well
[13:46:05] <cboos> #449 for the milestone
[13:46:10] <cboos> and #5126 for the CC field
[13:46:29] <cboos> (examples)
[13:47:07] <retracile> As in, you want to be able to change the presentation of an existing field from within a plugin?
[13:47:27] <cboos> no, in the base Trac
[13:47:42] <cboos> without special casing too much
[13:48:32] <cboos> I mean, we should still be able to iterate through the fields in the ticket.html template, and have special rendering applied for some fields as described in those tickets
[13:48:40] <retracile> Ok, if I understand you correctly: once the system supports adding field types, we can deal with #449 and #5126, etc.
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[13:49:29] <cboos> right
[13:50:03] <cboos> hm, another Trac clone, just announced on the subversion-dev mailing list:
[13:50:05] <cboos> http://www.projxpert.com/project/sharpforge.aspx
[13:52:29] <cboos> well, some polishing left to be done I guess: http://www.projxpert.com/project/screenshots/1-5-2-SvnBrowseDirectory.jpg, http://www.projxpert.com/project/screenshots/1-4-SvnWiki.jpg, http://www.projxpert.com/project/screenshots/1-3-2-DisplayWorkItem.jpg ...
[13:53:48] <retracile> The design as alect had it used the fieldtypes for the core stuff as well, so I would expect that to be done in the new incarnation as well.
[13:55:03] <cboos> yep
[14:03:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5145 (defect closed): if you create a version with a space in the title you can't delete it. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5145#comment:1> || Ticket #2416 (defect closed): Trac internal error when parsing svn history <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2416#comment:18>
[14:11:53] <Marlun> how does the new trac installation (all in site-packages) work with FastCGI?
[14:12:41] <retracile> Ok, I've updated @wiki WorkFlow I've left most of the older content below a page divider... as the functionality described there actually gets implemented, we'll bring it above the divider and clean it up.
[14:13:06] <retracile> feeback on what I have there is definitely welcome.
[14:21:00] <cboos> retracile: are you editing that page right now?
[14:21:02] <retracile> not at the moment.
[14:21:15] <cboos> ok, I'll do a few edits then
[14:21:22] <retracile> 'k
[14:24:02] <seemant> so if I wanna use the Query object, it has to take in a string/
[14:24:02] <seemant> ?
[14:24:12] <cboos> no
[14:24:33] <retracile> By the way, I have pdf graphs of the workflows. They're generated by workflow_parser.py and showworkflow. Should I put those somewhere? (attach to the wiki page, for instance)
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[14:24:57] <cboos> seemant: that class has a proper constructor, last time I checked (i.e. a few hours ago ;-) )
[14:25:55] <cboos> retracile: yes, and you could do a .png snapshot of them, so that we could inline them as well
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[14:26:21] <mitsuhiko> cboos: ping :D
[14:26:28] <cboos> retracile: e.g. see how I did it in
[14:26:30] <cboos> @wiki TracDev/DatabaseSchema
[14:26:30] <evil_twin> cboos: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/DatabaseSchema
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[14:26:43] <cboos> mitsuhiko: plonk
[14:26:47] <mitsuhiko> cboos: firs tof all: hi :D
[14:26:57] <mitsuhiko> cboos: secondly. how stable is the trac mercurial plugin for trac 0.11?
[14:27:01] <cboos> yes hi, it's been a while ;-)
[14:27:05] <mitsuhiko> we want to switch :)
[14:27:15] <cboos> very stable, very underfeatured ;-)
[14:27:17] <mitsuhiko> last but not least: trac rocks
[14:27:37] <mitsuhiko> cboos: underfeatured?
[14:27:55] <cboos> well, yes, there are things that are lacking in the plugin
[14:28:19] <cboos> - no arbitrary diff
[14:28:39] <cboos> - no path history (less importantn than in subversion though)
[14:28:52] <cboos> - speed :-( :-(
[14:29:02] <cboos> (or lack thereof)
[14:29:37] <cboos> - no follow-copy mode
[14:29:59] <mitsuhiko> ouch
[14:30:07] <cboos> in short, the part about TracRevisionLog support is really poor
[14:30:07] <mitsuhiko> cboos: when do you expect that those things work?
[14:30:14] <cboos> 0.12 of course ;-)
[14:30:23] <mitsuhiko> especially important is diff, path history and speed :)
[14:30:26] <mitsuhiko> cboos: speed up :D
[14:31:30] <cboos> the big problem with the speed is the difference between trac and hg w.r.t. directories
[14:31:45] <cboos> hg doesn't care (directories don't exist as such)
[14:32:12] <cboos> trac cares a lot (the browser shows interesting information for directories)
[14:33:07] <cboos> of course, the easy speed-up would be to /not/ show information about the latest revision of any file below a given directory
[14:33:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: WorkFlow edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow>
[14:33:24] <retracile> cboos: The opensource workflow png is 1800 x 783 ;)
[14:34:07] <cboos> retracile: hope you just saw I shrunk down the pictures that were already there ;-)
[14:34:42] <cboos> mitsuhiko: but the challenge would be to do it nevertheless, which I believe would be possible with a slightly enhanced repository cache
[14:34:51] <retracile> cboos: Oh, good.... though they lost readability in the process. :/
[14:35:00] <cboos> click on them ;-)
[14:35:28] <mitsuhiko> cboos: i would love to see that plugin evolve
[14:35:44] <retracile> Heh. I'll see if I can create some images that are readable at smaller sizes.
[14:35:53] <mitsuhiko> i think now where more and more projects switch to hg that could be a major plus of trac over similar projects which just try to copy the basic trac + svn
[14:37:32] <cboos> well, svn is still the ... how do they say again? the <something>dog, my english is a bit lacking
[14:38:39] <cboos> well, I mean 90% of the projects are going to stick to svn in the coming years
[14:39:15] <cboos> don't forget that svn will evolve as well... merge tracking and probably distributed features as well; only at a smaller pace than hg and others
[14:41:41] <mitsuhiko> cboos: do you use hg repositories yourself?
[14:42:16] <cboos> well I use one to track and understand the development of hg itself... though not regularly
[14:42:31] <retracile> cboos: If I create 2 sizes, is there a way to have Image display the small one and link to the big one?
[14:42:52] <cboos> in 0.11, yes ;-)
[14:43:29] <cboos> but you could achieve that with an html block in 0.10
[14:43:48] <retracile> Ok. I'll get the images uploaded and go from there.
[14:44:28] <cboos> ok, in the meantime I'm trying to fix the damage I made with the other pictures...
[14:46:07] <retracile> cboos: What pixel size should I go for?
[14:46:13] <retracile> (for the ones that will be inlined)
[14:47:00] <cboos> pretty hard to say ... wait I'll test with iexplorer, I think pages have a fixed width there
[14:48:29] <cboos> hm no...
[14:49:34] <mitsuhiko> rofl: http://advogato.org/person/fzort/diary.html?start=62
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[14:50:39] <cboos> retracile: I'd say something like 970px for the width
[14:50:52] <retracile> ok
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