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April 14, 2007

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[04:04:49] <Marlun> Any ideas today on using FastCGI with the new Trac install (all in one .egg file inside site-packages)? Before I did "exec share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi" but there is not trac.fcgi there now.
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[04:41:59] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: WorkFlow/Examples edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WorkFlow/Examples> || Ticket #5135 (enhancement created): Config parse_if_needed() does not handle removing items with multiple processes <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5135>
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[05:12:27] <techie_> When 0.10.4 ?
[05:13:02] <coderanger> Next week is the target I think
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[05:38:42] <techie_> kewl :P
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[06:31:18] <tomkralidis> hi, anyone around to help with a trac setup issue?
[06:31:59] <coderanger> Indeed
[06:32:13] <tomkralidis> I'm getting the venerable "Unsupported version control system "svn""
[06:32:18] <tomkralidis> using FC6, mod_python
[06:32:37] <tomkralidis> firing up tracd works
[06:33:32] <tomkralidis> the docs on http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython talk about adding a path to the python bindings. I'm not sure what this really means
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[06:34:47] <coderanger> if you do `python -c 'from svn import fs'` does it work?
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[06:35:35] <coderanger> cboos: G'morning
[06:35:47] <tomkralidis> when I try that, I get no errors.
[06:36:00] <cboos> hello guys
[06:36:03] <coderanger> tomkralidis: Did you build anything from source
[06:36:44] <tomkralidis> I built mod_python from source. httpd (apache) from source.
[06:36:53] <coderanger> *shudder*
[06:37:11] <coderanger> Probably a library conflict
[06:39:12] <coderanger> tomkralidis: Go over httpd/mod_python/the bindings with ldd and look for version mismatches
[06:39:56] <tomkralidis> over mod_python.so?
[06:40:03] <coderanger> Yes
[06:40:52] <lisppaste5> tomkralidis pasted "ldd mod_python.so" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/39723
[06:41:12] <coderanger> tomkralidis: The output won't help me
[06:41:23] <coderanger> you need to look for mismatches between anything
[06:42:41] <cboos> + I'd suggest going through http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSubversion#unsupported-vcs
[06:42:50] <cboos> and the checklist following it
[06:43:03] <tomkralidis> thx....will run through...
[06:49:53] <tomkralidis> coderanger: libapr and libapr-util differ between python and apache (0.2.7 vs. 0.2.8)
[06:50:39] <tomkralidis> sorry, meant libaprutil
[06:51:27] <cboos> bad luck :-)
[06:52:17] <cboos> wait... python doesn't need aprutil
[06:52:28] <cboos> subversion you mean?
[06:53:02] <cboos> if so, rebuild subversion so that it uses apache's apr and aprutil
[06:53:16] <tomkralidis> my svn comes from rpm, it is not built locally
[06:54:21] <cboos> coderanger: I'm thinking about cutting out a 0.10.4rc1 now, so that we get a chance to find any issue with the real 0.10.4 next week, what do you think?
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[07:12:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5201]: Adding ChangeLog info for 0.10.3.1 <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5201>
[07:14:01] <cboos> ...any native english speaker out there?
[07:14:55] <cboos> can someone please, proof read this? http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog?action=diff&version=41
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[07:42:52] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/ReleaseChecklist edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ReleaseChecklist> || Changeset [5204]: Preparing the first release candidate for milestone:0.10.4. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5204> || Changeset [5203]: Further simplifications of the ChangeLog <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5203> || Changeset [5202]: A few minor corrections to the ChangeLog <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5202> || ChangeLog edited by cboos <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog>
[07:44:16] <Macca> i don't get it.. when i commit stuff to the repository.. trac sometimes decides that some words should like to a wiki page, even if one doesn't exist
[07:44:18] <Macca> what's up with that ?
[07:44:33] <cboos> CamelCase?
[07:44:39] <Macca> yeah.
[07:44:43] <Macca> is that what does it ?
[07:45:13] <cboos> yes, camel case words are transformed to links, even if the page doesn't exist _unless_ you tell him/it to do otherwise
[07:45:23] <cboos> [wiki] ignore_missing_pages = true
[07:45:32] <cboos> that's probably what you want ;-)
[07:45:51] <Macca> ahuh
[07:45:52] <Macca> thanks :)
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[09:43:34] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: MacroBazaar edited by muness@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MacroBazaar>
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[11:42:34] <reber> hi
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[11:56:01] <reber> is trac capable of ssh+svn auth
[11:56:43] <pterk> Hi there. I've moved my trac instances from 8.4 to 9.8 (on a different server). Almost all went well and smootly except for the custom fields: they are no longer displayed. Any ideas?
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[12:54:26] <coderanger> reber: No
[12:54:36] <coderanger> pterk: 8.4 and 9.8 of what?
[12:54:58] <reber> coderanger, ok. Is svn co encrypted ?
[12:55:15] <coderanger> reber: It depends on what access system you are using
[12:55:24] <coderanger> reber: HTTPS is
[12:55:27] <coderanger> HTTP isn't
[12:55:33] <coderanger> Trac can't do either of course
[12:55:53] <coderanger> There is an experimental plugin that can use DAV over HTTP (but not with SSL I think)
[12:56:26] <reber> ok :/ Is it possible to forbid access of trac of no auth user still ?
[12:56:39] <coderanger> reber: What do you mean?
[12:56:56] <reber> coderanger, i mean forbid anonymous co
[12:56:58] <coderanger> Trac uses the local repo access sytem, it need file-level access to the repository itself
[12:57:08] <coderanger> reber: That has nothing to do with Trac
[12:57:21] <coderanger> Trac doesn't replace your Subversion server
[12:58:37] <reber> coderanger, course, but does it shortcut it with anon http access ?
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[12:58:56] <coderanger> You mean the source viewer?
[12:59:02] <reber> yep
[12:59:11] <coderanger> You can control that with both Trac permissions and through a subversion authz file
[12:59:17] <reber> okay
[12:59:35] <reber> gforge seems far better about security still
[12:59:48] <coderanger> In what way?
[13:00:07] <reber> handles ssh+svn of subversion
[13:00:45] <coderanger> I'm not sure how that would factor in to the source viewer
[13:00:51] <reber> strong user auth / permission
[13:01:00] <coderanger> Trac can enforce the same permissions as subversion does
[13:01:17] <coderanger> as for how you authenticate, you can use the system users database through mod_auth_external
[13:01:36] <coderanger> And you can use SSL for security (not sure how gforge would do that better)
[13:02:10] <reber> course gforge can do ssl for web access
[13:02:27] <reber> but i like it's ssh+svn, really strong
[13:02:39] <coderanger> Okay, but that has nothing to do with Trac or Gforge
[13:02:45] <coderanger> you can use Trac with svn+ssh
[13:03:04] <reber> but gforge has a painful UI
[13:03:16] <reber> really.
[13:03:52] <coderanger> Trac is not a repository access layer (RA in subversionspeak)
[13:04:11] <coderanger> You still use whatever you want for that (svnserve, ssh, mod_dav_svn)
[13:09:19] <reber> yep, ok
[13:12:18] <tsb> " 1. hello\n 2. world" isn't very pragmatic, is there a way to get ordered lists without specifying the numer on each line?
[13:12:54] <tsb> something like " n=1. hello\n n. world" on the next line, n would be 2
[13:13:14] <coderanger> tsb: 1.
[13:13:27] <coderanger> The numbers are actually ignored after the first one
[13:13:40] <coderanger> Just need to be \n+\.
[13:13:50] <coderanger> er \d
[13:13:53] <coderanger> \d+\.
[13:14:02] <tsb> ahah, you are right. thanks
[13:14:14] <mitsuhiko> alect: pingeling
[13:21:56] <mitsuhiko> wohoooo. i have *the* idea :D
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[13:44:49] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/Proposals/ThemePlugins edited by Armin Ronacher <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/ThemePlugins>
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[13:54:45] <lorem> hi
[13:56:20] <lorem> hi
[13:57:40] <lorem> does anyone know what exit code 253 means when trying to use email2trac?
[13:58:00] <lorem> I seem to have the same problem as here: http://www.trac-hacks.org/ticket/1290
[13:58:28] <misc> never used it
[13:58:51] <lorem> maybe there's another way to add tickets from email?
[13:59:51] <misc> yes, a trainee :)
[14:00:57] <lorem> I guess using the svn versions of trac and this plugin wasn't the quickest way toget it going..
[14:04:58] <lorem> ah well.
[14:14:41] <lorem> oh, I think it was a permissions problem on
[14:14:53] <lorem> run_email2trac
[14:29:40] <lorem> yup, that was it, permissions. hard to debug... ttyl
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[14:33:20] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: ping
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[20:22:41] <tag> how do wiki macros work in ReST?
[20:23:07] <tag> nevermind
[20:24:01] <tsb> coderanger: and luck on that plugin? is it happening before monday? :)
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[21:44:06] <tag> It'd be cool if instead of having to wrap a completely RST document in a wiki processor block, you could just select the default wiki processor for that page from like a dropdown list.
[21:45:50] <tag> bah
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[21:51:33] <tag> ugh! how annoying.
[21:51:46] <tag> Substitution definition "jiancha" empty or invalid.
[21:51:46] <tag> .. |jiancha| replace: 检查
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[22:36:48] <tag> clearwire is so fucking unreliable.
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[23:17:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Yoyo edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/Yoyo>
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[23:33:18] <tag> fuck! rst and TOC aren't compatible
[23:39:58] <tag> hurm, where the hell is the TOC macro figuring out what a heading is
[23:40:27] <coderanger> IIRC is uses a modified formatter
[23:42:07] <tag> yeah
[23:42:22] <tag> it's kind of confusing how it works
[23:42:42] <tag> aah
[23:42:46] <tag> self.outline
[23:43:06] <tag> for depth, anchor, heading in self.outline: which it gets from trac.wiki.formatter OutlineFormatter
[23:43:35] <coderanger> Yeah
[23:43:53] <tag> I feel like getting RST and TOC working happily together is a major undertaking
[23:44:21] <coderanger> very
[23:44:32] <tag> that's so unfortunate!
[23:44:51] <tag> I wonder if I could make an RST friendly version of TOC easier
[23:44:56] <tag> probably not
[23:45:23] <tag> since I have to rely on the wiki model to plug in the processor for me if I'm going to do it sanely
[23:45:38] <coderanger> The problem is Trac doesn't have a parser for RST
[23:45:44] <tag> right
[23:45:50] <tag> it just uses the docutils one
[23:46:21] <tag> which it's nice that it's there -- RST is pretty badass though, after using it to draft this document I'm a fan.
[23:46:37] <tag> backreferences kick ass.
[23:46:51] <coderanger> Yeah, its a nice intermediary between wiki markup and pure HTML
[23:47:28] <tag> hurm, maybe I would be better off just making an RST trac wiki outputter thing
[23:47:29] <tag> hahah
[23:47:34] <tag> and just locally convert my RST sources
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[23:48:29] <tag> backreferences and substutions and shit make me wish trac just supported RST directly.
[23:50:18] <tag> I really don't want to rewrite this document
[23:50:23] <coderanger> Once cboos does his new wiki parser/formatter it will be easier
[23:50:31] <tag> yeah?
[23:50:34] <coderanger> since you would just need a RST->TracDOM parser
[23:50:34] <tag> what's it going to do?
[23:50:40] <tag> Ah!
[23:50:46] <tag> TracDOM, sounds pretty badass.
[23:51:27] <coderanger> Have you played with markdown at all?
[23:51:32] <tag> no
[23:51:35] <tag> what's it?
[23:51:46] <coderanger> It has a parser/formatter split like that
[23:51:52] <tag> not another cool text format I can't really use :-(
[23:51:55] <tag> hurm
[23:53:38] <tag> markdown looks like crud
[23:53:45] <tag> particularly compared to ReST.
[23:54:59] <tag> ok so here is what I'll do, I'll just replace my headings with trac headings and my everything else with {{{ #!rst }}} blocks -- end result: crummy looking document, intermediate: Get to use RST to draft this because it has a crazy number of references.
[23:55:14] <coderanger> Markdown is supposed to be one step simpler than a wiki markup
[23:55:50] <coderanger> Just thought you might find the NanoDOM plugin stuff interesting
[23:56:40] <tag> hurm
[23:56:46] <tag> I bet it handles each rst section independently
[23:56:55] <tag> and I'll have to copy and paste all my backreferences into each section