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August 03, 2007

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[00:18:40] <Cammm> i'm using the timing / estimation plugin with the burndown plugin
[00:18:47] <Cammm> but the burdown is still using clearsilver
[00:19:25] <Cammm> which is fine, it works with the default install - but I'm also injecting stylesheets and javascript as part of my own plugin
[00:19:33] <Cammm> using add_stylesheet() and add_script()
[00:19:56] <Cammm> but they don't show up on the burndown clearsilver template
[00:20:49] <Cammm> so, any way I can insert the extra styles / scripts using a post_process_filter that is compatible with clearsilver?
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[00:22:16] <coderanger> You need two post-req filter plugins, one for each type
[00:22:19] <coderanger> its dumb
[00:23:24] <Cammm> how do you specify / tell if we're using cs or genshi?
[00:24:06] <coderanger> It checks the arg spec for post_process_request
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[00:35:10] <Cammm> ah hah, right thats dodgy - but ok, coz my fix will be easy :-)(
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[00:54:58] <Cammm> mm
[00:55:15] <Cammm> not work for some reson
[00:55:18] <Cammm> +a
[00:55:35] <coderanger> what doesn't
[01:02:14] <lisppaste5> cammm pasted "Theme Switcher" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45549
[01:03:44] <Cammm> works for genshi
[01:04:04] <Cammm> but the extra references are not being applied on the cs page
[01:04:59] <coderanger> I would chunk some logging in
[01:05:06] <coderanger> make sure its getting run at all
[01:07:58] <Cammm> yeah it is - i got debug log output from post_process_request on the ClearsilverThemePlugin
[01:08:53] <Cammm> are the methods add_stylesheet and add_script independent of the templating system?
[01:09:49] <coderanger> Should be
[01:10:05] <coderanger> I haven't looked at the CS codepaths in a while
[01:10:17] <coderanger> (as I am basically ignoring them for themeengine)
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[01:10:31] <Cammm> yeah
[01:10:48] <Cammm> i can see now why it was dropped
[01:11:10] <Cammm> looking through some of the older plugins etc
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[01:11:50] <CSWookie> Hey all, do trac and roundup integrate well?
[01:12:28] <coderanger> CSWookie: Trac and Roundup would be redundant
[01:13:01] <CSWookie> coderanger: Maybe so, but we're dealing with two seperate companies here.
[01:13:11] <CSWookie> One uses trac, and the other roundup.
[01:13:24] <CSWookie> Actually three.
[01:13:24] <coderanger> Define "integrate" then ..
[01:13:24] <Cammm> make the one using roundup switch to trac ;-)
[01:13:35] <CSWookie> So, three companies.
[01:13:57] <CSWookie> foo is customer of bar which is a customer of baz.
[01:14:16] <CSWookie> baz uses trac, bar uses roundup, and foo has no issue collector.
[01:15:12] <Cammm> and you want issue propegatiion between all 3?
[01:15:14] <CSWookie> I would like for foo to be able to make an issue on bar's collector, which can then (internally) be passed to baz's, and possibly passed around internally there.
[01:15:25] <coderanger> oh dear lord no
[01:15:25] <CSWookie> Cammm: Yes.
[01:15:46] <Cammm> if you want them all to follow the same conversation...
[01:15:53] <Cammm> use a single instance of trac
[01:16:09] <coderanger> We have been talking about building such a thing to allow Trac bugs to watch upstream, but this would be ever worse in some ways
[01:16:21] <CSWookie> Once the issue passes from bar to baz, foo doesn't need to know about the conversation (Actually, shouldn't).
[01:16:29] <Cammm> ir the teams work independently, you might be able to have a "forward" button which passes details off to another issue tracker - but that where the integration would end
[01:16:36] <coderanger> Does roundup have a real API yet?
[01:16:47] <CSWookie> Similarly, when baz is tossing it around internally bar doesn't care.
[01:16:55] <Cammm> ^ that is where rather
[01:17:19] <CSWookie> coderanger: I don't really know. I'm part of bar company (and so use roundup), but I'm not the roundupczar here.
[01:17:53] <coderanger> Last I knew the only remote interfaces roundup offered were HTML and email
[01:18:00] <coderanger> either of which would be fun to script
[01:18:18] <coderanger> the latter would be slightly easier at least, and such a plugin could theoretically be made
[01:18:29] <Cammm> can trac receive email?
[01:18:36] <coderanger> Yes
[01:18:40] <coderanger> email2trac
[01:18:51] <CSWookie> Well, if it requires development, we don't have resources for it, I'm sure.
[01:18:55] <Cammm> yeah - so you could pass a nicely formed email from roundup
[01:19:04] <coderanger> CSWookie: The answer is "In theory, yes, but it wouldn't be pretty"
[01:19:22] <Cammm> and a trac plugin to parse it and enter ticket data
[01:19:24] <coderanger> CSWookie: The only people to have figured out remote tracker sync at all is Launchpad
[01:19:24] <CSWookie> Darn it.
[01:19:36] <Cammm> but that would be 2 lots of coding - and an unstable delivery mechanism
[01:19:38] <coderanger> And they threw a loooooot of resources are it
[01:19:48] <coderanger> er, at it
[01:19:53] <CSWookie> Well, they do have Shuttleworth.
[01:20:14] <coderanger> CSWookie: No, they have a Shuttleworth + a ~40 person team
[01:20:15] <CSWookie> Shuttleworth is the Scrooge McDuck of Launchpad.
[01:21:00] <coderanger> TracForge has a prototype of env-to-env sync, but it doesn't cover remote servers at all
[01:21:09] <CSWookie> Hmmm.
[01:21:21] <coderanger> (and its only Trac-to-Trac)
[01:22:09] <coderanger> There are huge political problems with that kind of "Push upstream" button too
[01:22:36] <coderanger> Many projects don't like the idea, some to quite ridiculous extremes
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[01:23:38] <fred_> Has the esteemed Shuttleworth even released the code for Launchpad yet?
[01:24:47] <womble> fred_: Of course not.
[01:25:40] <coderanger> He keeps saying "One day, but for now it is part of our competitive advantage"
[01:25:43] <CSWookie> coderanger: I don't want our customer (foo) pushing "Push upstream to baz". I want to push it, and not have them know about it.
[01:26:37] <Cammm> what you want is a button in roundup that emails to baz's trac
[01:26:48] <Cammm> and baz's trac logs it as a new issue
[01:27:19] <Cammm> coderanger said the support is already there using email2trac
[01:27:22] <coderanger> Which is easy on the Trac side
[01:27:25] <Cammm> yep
[01:27:32] <coderanger> XmlRpcPlugin is better actually
[01:27:50] <Cammm> you just need to modify roundup to include an email button that sends off the issue data in the correct format for trac
[01:27:58] <coderanger> But there is no standard for such a thing, so it would require hacking on the roundup side
[01:27:59] <Cammm> or yeah, using the remote interface
[01:28:49] <CSWookie> coderanger: Hmm.
[01:29:00] <CSWookie> I'll ask our czar about that when he wakes up.
[01:29:07] <fred_> I'm using email2trac now, mostly because my boss's
[01:29:32] <fred_> faces lit up when I told them about it
[01:29:43] <CSWookie> It sounds like the best idea ever.
[01:29:51] <CSWookie> I know I like that feature in roundup.
[01:30:06] <CSWookie> Editting any sort of text through the web is pain.
[01:30:43] <womble> Having grown up on debbugs, Trac's e-mail integration (or lack thereof) is one of the things I miss most.
[01:32:31] <coderanger> womble: What is it missing?
[01:32:51] <fred_> I dunno, email2trac is pretty good, as long as the email clients don't come from Microsoft
[01:33:05] <Cammm> thunderbird ftw
[01:33:10] <CSWookie> fred_: All email clients come from microsoft.
[01:33:34] <CSWookie> Actually, mine doesn't... but the phb's don't see it that way.
[01:33:45] <CSWookie> Or at least some of them don't.
[01:34:44] <fred_> Attachments work in email2trac in standards-compliant clients
[01:35:03] <womble> coderanger: (All this may be available in plugins, or a newer version of email2trac, but...) You can't set all the ticket fields in the initial e-mail; you can't receive an e-mail from Trac, reply to it, and have your response show up in the ticket log; you can't manipulate bugs via e-mail (closing them, changing owner or other fields). Basically, I want debbugs e-mail handler with a full and sexy web interface like Trac. <grin>
[01:35:16] <fred_> but not OutlookWebAccess, or desktop Outlook
[01:35:50] * womble wanders off to poke at trac-hacks for e-mail related plugins
[01:35:53] <CSWookie> Sexy?
[01:36:16] <CSWookie> I wonder if maybe the trac I'm using is out of date.
[01:36:23] <fred_> you can easily modify email2trac to do nearly all of that
[01:36:48] <fred_> it already does all the hard work for you
[01:37:24] <fred_> the only thing you're not likely to be able to fix is the Outlook shit
[01:38:16] <fred_> have you read the python code in email2trac yet?
[01:38:37] <womble> fred_: I know I *can* modify it; anything can be modified to suit somebody's needs. Yes, I've modified email2trac before; I just never got around to implementing pseudo-headers.
[01:38:41] <fred_> you can safely ignore all the C setuid cruft
[01:38:52] <fred_> oh, okay
[01:39:11] <fred_> when I set it up I ended up reading all of the code
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[01:39:49] <fred_> the english written by those dutch dudes isn't the clearest documentation
[01:40:24] <womble> fred_: I notice that it's got ticket update handling now, which is tres cool. Adding pseudo-headers is easier than that.
[01:40:30] * womble adds one more thing to his todo list
[01:41:37] <fred_> yeah, right now it does most of that stuff in the subject line with a URL-style syntax
[01:41:50] <fred_> but you could easily change that :)
[01:43:20] <womble> A URL-style syntax? I missed the doco on that.
[01:44:15] <coderanger> https://subtrac.sara.nl/oss/email2trac/wiki/Email2tracConfiguration#TicketUpdate
[01:44:41] <coderanger> Not the most obvious of interfaces, but I guess it gets the job done
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[01:47:07] <womble> coderanger: Thanks, I missed that. I think it might be a bit... tricky. Good that all of the hard work's been done, though -- I just need to parse the body differently and set the options the same way the URL-style thing does it.
[01:47:39] <tmpvar> hey guys, im trying to automate initenv.. where can i find a listing of the X paramaters? (my code seems to have broke after I updated.. it has 4 params)
[01:49:15] <tmpvar> im currently passing (tracpath,initenv,projectname,dbconnection,svnpath,templatedir) .. am i missing anything here?
[01:49:25] <coderanger> tmpvar: What version
[01:49:43] <tmpvar> 0.10.4
[01:49:53] <coderanger> trac-admin --help
[01:50:29] <tmpvar> oh wow
[01:50:34] <tmpvar> i was staring right at it, thanks
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[01:52:11] <coderanger> womble: Making an email2trac-workalike that is a bit better integrated with Trac is on my todo list, probably will be done some time after we launch and have to deal with a bazillion incoming reports
[01:54:34] <womble> coderanger: Got any detailed specs for that? I might take a stab at it as an alternative to improving email2trac.
[01:55:49] <coderanger> womble: The first step is some small stuff, s/auto*/setuptools/, make it use the trac.ini file for configuration, ditch the suid program in favor of sudo/op
[01:56:04] <coderanger> Then make a webadmin panel for the config stuffs
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[02:02:44] <fred_> you'd still have the delivery mechanism be via an alias in a seperate MTA?
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[02:04:13] <fred_> I think the best way would be to have it use "getmail" (a python fetchmail replacement) directly
[02:05:16] <coderanger> fred_: I would have it accept mail on stdin (or via a function) coming from whatever you wanted
[02:05:49] <fred_> so both ways?
[02:06:35] <coderanger> Yes, you just point whatever you want at it and it goes, thats the standard for mail interfaces generally
[02:07:57] <fred_> Using getmail internally would allow you to not have to worry about setuid at all, nor setting up a MTA - all the configuration could happen in TracAdmin
[02:08:43] <fred_> ...just that one dependency :)
[02:11:34] <coderanger> Also it requires that your alias have storage, which is a somewhat silly requirement
[02:11:45] <coderanger> My script forwards are all just that, forwards
[02:11:57] <coderanger> I don't give them system accounts, so they don't have a mailbox
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[02:13:27] <fred_> so your script doesn't use postfix or another MTA on the system?
[02:14:10] <coderanger> huh?
[02:14:32] <coderanger> They go through postfix (the MTA), and get directly routed to the script
[02:14:42] <coderanger> messages never sit on disk
[02:15:00] <coderanger> local shoves directly to a pipe
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[02:16:48] <fred_> you could use getmail as a MDA to avoid the requirement for mucking around in the aliases file
[02:17:01] <coderanger> No, you can't
[02:17:14] <coderanger> That requires having a mailbox for it to check
[02:17:30] <coderanger> Why would email2trac@coderanger.net have a mailbox?
[02:17:53] <fred_> it does in my setup
[02:18:06] <coderanger> Thats dumb and wasteful
[02:18:30] <coderanger> Its force all mails to trac to touch the disk several extra times
[02:18:58] <coderanger> Also in the case of dovecot, it requires it have a real account and a home dir
[02:19:12] <fred_> tlog@evergreen.edu has an exchange email account, which is gotten by fetchmail via IMAP-IDLE, and delivered via a postfix alias
[02:20:16] <coderanger> That sounds remarkably over-engineered, why is this zigzagging through two mailservers?
[02:20:25] <fred_> the email server is a seperate box, and there's no way in hell I'm running one on mine
[02:21:34] <coderanger> You just said it is delivered on a postfix alias
[02:21:46] <fred_> I get enough shit from the other frightened and confused admins for running "another SVN box"
[02:22:18] <fred_> postfix is only listening on localhost, where fetchmail is
[02:22:49] <coderanger> So you do run a mailserver, just a crippled one ;-)
[02:23:37] <coderanger> And as for having to deal with other admins, just remember use enough gasoline and they won't be able to identify the bodies
[02:23:41] <fred_> getting people who are percieved as too stupid to use the web interface to address their emails to tlog@trac.evergreen.edu would be hilarious
[02:24:10] <coderanger> fred_: Exchange does forwarding aliases
[02:25:18] <fred_> coderanger: I had a hard enough time "requisitioning" an address to begin with
[02:26:18] <coderanger> fred_: Saying its a required solution due to the idiocy and paranoia of others doesn't make it not a bizarre solution ;-)
[02:27:03] <fred_> it was easier to set up, document, and explain the array of male-female protocol adapters
[02:27:31] <fred_> they're microsoft babies, they can't help it
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[02:28:05] <moolight> what a great adapter...
[02:29:46] * fred_ laughs about how he's allowed to work whatever friggin hours he wants, so long as he doesn't put more than 40 per week on his timesheet, and his bosses see him occasionally
[02:31:07] * fred_ has an office with a door and a shitton of computers, *cackles*
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[02:36:18] <__doc__> hey, I want to restrict certain actions on a ticket to people who own the ticket, any way to do that?
[02:36:26] <__doc__> (11-dev)
[02:36:31] <__doc__> (workflow)
[02:36:39] <__doc__> </context>
[02:39:00] <spike> __doc__: privateTickets , check trac-hacks.org
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[02:47:46] <__doc__> spike: only for 0.10 though?
[02:48:46] <spike> so the page says
[02:48:50] <spike> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateTicketsPlugin
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[02:55:23] <foutrelis> hey :)
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[04:26:46] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracModPython edited by shepting@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython>
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[04:56:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5816 (defect created): error when using custom query <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5816>
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[05:19:11] <H2OyJaBoN> hi!!
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[05:57:22] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: NewPage edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/NewPage>
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[06:21:20] <i-nZ> how can I remove all wiki pages
[06:21:30] <i-nZ> trac-admin . wiki remove * doesn't do it
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[06:22:01] <tomas_> hey coderanger- you around?
[06:27:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SandBox edited by Garratt <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox>
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[06:31:58] <tomas_> had a question about the "lastest stable version"
[06:32:09] <tomas_> Trac stable
[06:32:09] <tomas_> The latest revision for the stable version of Trac (currently Trac 0.10.5dev) can be checked out with the following command:
[06:32:12] <tomas_> svn co http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/trac/branches/0.10-stable 0.10.5dev
[06:32:24] <tomas_> having the dev on the end makes me a bit uneasy...
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[06:32:42] <tomas_> does that mean it hasnt been fully tested?
[06:34:54] <tomas_> wanting to use it because it seems to fix an issue im having with a scoped trac repo
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[06:57:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5817 (defect created): error on project homepage <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5817>
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[07:08:26] <ezzer> Hey guys. I did a Trac install on Windows. Everything looks good. I ran the Web Admin plugin script but I'm not seeing the Admin button in the menu. I guess I don't have any security yet?
[07:08:53] <ezzer> I tried creating a passwd file with Apache2/binpasswd.exe but that doesn't seem to help.
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[07:10:22] <ezzer> Can someone help me?
[07:11:10] <tomas_> i believe you have to grant the users permission to see that admin button
[07:11:24] <tomas_> thats in 0.11?
[07:12:05] <ezzer> But when I try the "Login" function with the new username/pw I created it doesn't log me in.
[07:12:24] <ezzer> I'm completely new to Apache and Trac.
[07:13:16] <tomas_> have never used apache on windows
[07:13:25] <tomas_> but assuming you would have some sort of htaccess setup for authing
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[08:02:34] <Blackhex2> hello everyone
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[08:04:42] <Blackhex2> coderanger: ping?
[08:04:59] <ezzer> Hey Blackhex
[08:05:15] <ezzer> You know anything about Trac on Windows?
[08:05:36] <Blackhex2> ezzer: not really, I'm a Linux user
[08:06:47] <ezzer> K. I installed and all works, sees the SVN...but I'm not seeing the Web Admin plugin.
[08:06:55] <tomas_> ezzer- i would assume that most folks in here are using linux or solaris (unix)
[08:06:56] <ezzer> I'm confused about security I guess.
[08:07:16] <tomas_> ezzer- look at trac-admin repo permission
[08:07:20] <Blackhex2> ezzer: did you enable it in trac.ini?
[08:07:24] <ezzer> I think my problems are about the app in general.
[08:08:35] <ezzer> Enable web admin in trac.ini?
[08:08:54] <Blackhex2> ezzer: are we speaking about 0.10?
[08:09:06] <ezzer> I don't see anything in trac.ini about web admin
[08:10:01] <ezzer> VERSION says Trac Environment Version 1
[08:10:59] <lisppaste5> Blackhex pasted "WebAdmin" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45563
[08:11:14] <ezzer> 0.10.3
[08:11:18] <Blackhex2> this should be in your trac.ini to enable WebAdnin
[08:13:04] <ezzer> I put that in the trac.ini, saved and restarted apache. But still doesn't show in the menu.
[08:13:26] <Blackhex2> you need to have rights too
[08:13:59] <Blackhex2> so trac-admin <path_to_environmen> permission add <username> TRAC_ADMIN
[08:14:05] <ezzer> Yeah, I'm not clear on security/rights.
[08:14:28] <ezzer> Path to trac project?
[08:14:38] <Blackhex2> yes
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[08:17:03] <ezzer> Do you have to do that from the dir where trac-admin.exe is?
[08:17:18] <Blackhex2> no
[08:17:22] <Blackhex2> as I know
[08:18:29] <Blackhex2> you just need to specifiy full path to trac-admin.exe or have trac-admin.exe in PATH obviously
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[08:18:49] <ezzer> Where is trac-admin.exe? I can't find it.
[08:19:04] <tomas_> your on windows
[08:19:09] <tomas_> start, find
[08:19:10] <ezzer> Yeah
[08:19:12] <Blackhex2> ezzer: I don't know I would guess that it is trac-admin.py
[08:19:13] <tomas_> or whatever it is
[08:19:17] <Blackhex2> or bat
[08:19:24] <tomas_> just search for trac-admin
[08:19:33] <tomas_> not sure if dos supports find
[08:20:03] <Blackhex2> unfortunatelly I need to go away so this is where my advices ends...
[08:20:19] <ezzer> Thanks.
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[08:54:25] <kiko> hello hello
[08:54:31] <kmacd> hello
[08:54:38] <kiko> how's it going today
[08:54:45] <kiko> had a question about queries
[08:55:01] <kmacd> who is an expert here on getting JavaScript or Flash running under Trac?
[08:55:25] <kiko> ticket queries, more specifically. I see some code that cboos added that allows specifying ranges for ids when querying.
[08:55:32] <kiko> has anyone tried using this?
[08:56:42] <kmacd> No one was alive in this channel last PM... maybe a bunch of folks just hang out here but don't monitor...
[08:56:54] <kiko> aha
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[09:18:42] <Nanobot> TracAccountManager 0.1.3dev-r2171 is showing completely random and unstable behavior. Every time I load a page in the admin area, I get one of the following at random: "Oops. Trac detected an internal error: [a bunch of code]", "Internal Error: Unknown Admin Page", the page displays but there is no content, or the page displays fine. I can sit on a single page and refresh over and over and get all of these different results. This
[09:18:42] <Nanobot> is a new install and I'm the only person currently visiting the site.
[09:19:40] <Nanobot> The plugin seems to deactivate randomly and reactivate again. The "Login" and "Register" links appear and disappear, as do the plugin's admin pages
[09:19:49] <Nanobot> (sidebar links, I mean)
[09:20:03] <Nanobot> Does anyone know what's going on?
[09:20:40] <Nanobot> This is my first time using trac and I'm supposed to have it ready for someone today
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[09:28:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracSubversion edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSubversion> || Ticket #5365 (defect closed): Can't access the Wiki <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5365#comment:3> || TracSubversion edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSubversion>
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[09:46:48] <cmlenz> Nanobot: restart the web server
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[09:54:20] <jwcornelius> Hello all... I'm looking for documentation on using [[TracGuideToc]]
[09:54:41] <jwcornelius> according to the Macros page this is "This macro shows a quick and dirty way to make a table-of-contents for a set of wiki pages."
[09:55:10] <jwcornelius> but I can't find any docs to describe how to use it for making a TOC on other content
[09:59:10] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracModPython edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython>
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