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August 04, 2007

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[01:13:20] <thatch> I'd like some testing/thoughts on #5819, anyone who's around (and coderanger when he wakes up). I'm trying to think of a better way to fix the issue.
[01:13:36] <coderanger> hmm?
[01:13:36] <evil_twin> Somebody said hmm is trac-hacks.org down, coderanger
[01:15:04] <thatch> coderanger: timeline events with the same timestamp show up backwards (possibly by chance), so I'd like to include the id for changesets in the sort key
[01:15:38] <coderanger> Why not sort them in the svn provider?
[01:17:16] <thatch> coderanger: think that would fix it?
[01:17:44] <coderanger> Indeed, sort by rev before returning them in trac.versioncontrol.web_ui.changeset.ChangesetModule
[01:17:48] <thatch> I am not an expert on the behavior of sorted() wrt ties on the key (whether it keeps original order, or simply a stable order even)
[01:17:52] <coderanger> Python's search is stable
[01:17:57] <coderanger> er, sort
[01:18:14] <coderanger> If our sorted isn't we should fix that instead ;-)
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[01:19:17] <coderanger> Our function uses python's sort, so it should be
[01:20:26] <thatch> coderanger: ok, that looks like a cleaner fix, and it'll still work for all backends
[01:21:07] <coderanger> I would rather maintain stability w.r.t. the ordering each module hands us
[01:21:16] <coderanger> as the context might be some meaningless thing
[01:21:30] <coderanger> This is just a special case for svn
[01:21:59] * asmodai mutters something ungrateful about interrupted sleep
[01:22:13] <asmodai> stable sorts++
[01:22:55] <coderanger> asmodai: Thats what saturday morning cartoons are for
[01:23:19] <asmodai> heh
[01:23:25] <asmodai> Good thing I don't have cable tv anymore
[01:23:31] <thatch> coderanger: good point, thanks. I'll try it out in the morning and add some tests. Right now some sleep is in order.
[01:24:00] <coderanger> asmodai: bah, torrents
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[01:25:58] <asmodai> coderanger: HUMBUG
[01:26:29] <coderanger> asmodai: You know what we need? Trac translated into Klingon
[01:27:06] * asmodai looks around him to find something heavy
[01:27:18] <asmodai> Because it is coming your way! :)
[01:27:37] <asmodai> You're in your silly mood
[01:27:41] <asmodai> Sleep-deprived.
[01:27:43] <asmodai> Go sleep.
[01:28:11] <coderanger> asmodai: You'll need a pretty big rocket to hit me from here
[01:28:25] * asmodai phones Acme
[01:28:49] <asmodai> coderanger: btw, seen Ratatouille?
[01:28:55] <coderanger> Indeed
[01:29:53] <asmodai> I think Pixar outdid themselves this time again
[01:30:34] <coderanger> It was cute, a bit on the weird side, but very well done
[01:31:50] <asmodai> Very well done indeed!
[01:32:51] <aat> hey
[01:33:04] <coderanger> Have you seen transformers?
[01:33:31] <coderanger> aat: g'morn
[01:34:31] <aat> transformers!
[01:34:32] <aat> awesome
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[01:38:55] <asmodai> coderanger: not yet
[01:38:59] <asmodai> still want to
[01:39:01] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5819 (defect created): Timeline events with same exact date show up backwards <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5819>
[01:39:19] <asmodai> but I am also afraid my childhood dreams will be take in a van outside and brutally used
[01:39:26] <asmodai> s/take/taken/
[01:40:11] <coderanger> asmodai: Plot is relatively bad, but the graphics are awesome
[01:42:05] <asmodai> But they raped the original drawings! :(
[01:42:35] <coderanger> optimus is okay
[01:42:57] <coderanger> I still can't tell what megatron is supposed to be
[01:43:18] <aat> cybertron aircraft
[01:43:40] <coderanger> oh, duh
[01:43:44] <asmodai> I want to see Last Legion only to see Aishwarya Rai in a Hollywood film.
[01:43:47] <coderanger> makes perfect sense
[01:44:37] <aat> transformers could have completely done without the hacker subplot
[01:45:03] <aat> particularly the australian girl and her "mentor"
[01:45:32] <coderanger> It could have done without a plot in general. This is very simple. Giant awesome robots. Period :)
[01:46:06] <aat> so true
[01:46:13] <aat> i enjoyed it immensely
[01:46:21] <aat> saw it twice at the cinema in fact
[01:46:26] <coderanger> heh
[01:46:35] <aat> anybody ever used colubrid?
[01:47:38] <coderanger> Looks interesting
[01:48:11] <aat> nice and simple
[01:48:25] <coderanger> Like web.py with much less suck
[01:48:39] * coderanger bookmarks
[01:48:42] <aat> i usually use cherrypy, which i like except for a complete lack of documentation, and i hate the configuration mechanism
[01:48:47] <aat> heh, yeah
[01:49:16] <coderanger> I think it will be interesting to see how the Pylons/TG2 semi-merge goes
[01:50:04] <aat> yeah
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[03:09:53] <nStensen> hi, I've just tried to install trac for the first time, but I cant seem to get it to display or work correctly. URl: http://trac.webbasert.net/ <-- any ideas?
[03:11:12] <nStensen> I cant even open the CSS file
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[05:32:44] <aat> woot! new machine is ready
[05:33:01] <mitsuhiko> coderanger: better bookmark werkzeug :)
[06:08:14] <Getty> werkzeug? ;)
[06:09:26] <mitsuhiko> Getty: the colubrid successor
[06:09:29] <mitsuhiko> (http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/)
[06:09:43] <Getty> ah ok ;)
[06:09:48] <Getty> thought you mixed language lol
[06:12:34] <mitsuhiko> no :)
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[07:26:16] <Muelli> How do I actually access stuff in $tracenv/htdocs/ with my trac-0.10 through mod_python?
[07:27:57] <Muelli> ah. http://tracurl/chrome/site/
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[07:36:30] <aat> mitsuhiko: is that what pocoo runs on?
[07:36:49] <aat> i've been looking at colubrid for a project, it seems pretty nice
[07:37:04] <aat> how does werkzeug differ?
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[07:41:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5819 (defect closed): Timeline events with same exact date show up backwards <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5819#comment:1> || Changeset [5891]: Fix #5819 for cached subversion repositories <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5891>
[07:43:49] <aat> looks nice
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[07:45:30] <jmafc> I had a 0.10.x Trac install under FreeBSD that I want to migrate to 0.11 under Linux/PG 8.1.9. The 0.11/TracInstall wiki page says " A database change is now required, so it is no longer safe to switch from 0.11 to 0.10." So how can one convert from an 0.10 db to 0.11?
[07:46:01] <aat> jmafc: trac-admin upgrade
[07:46:11] <aat> backup your trac env first
[07:47:11] <jmafc> I haven't yet restored the BSD env on Linux. So, I have to install 0.10.x first and then 0.11 and the trac-admin upgrade?
[07:47:39] <aat> you won't need 0.10 installed
[07:47:52] <jmafc> ok thanks aat
[07:48:48] <mitsuhiko> aat: it doesn't have application types any more. just components you can combine
[07:52:25] <aat> just read that in the faq actually ;)
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[07:52:41] <aat> this looks like exactly what i'm after
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[07:53:24] <aat> you planning on putting it on the pypi?
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[08:11:22] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5820 (defect created): standalone trac does not accept -b "::" <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5820>
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[09:21:03] <aarkerio> hi! can I setup more than one user to admin Trac on the browser?
[09:24:39] <thatch> aarkerio: yes, give them the TRAC_ADMIN permission :)
[09:26:00] <aarkerio> I'm just put six name/password on .httaccess Apache file
[09:28:21] <thatch> aarkerio: ok, now you'd probably run 'trac-admin /path/to/env' and 'permission add username1 TRAC_ADMIN', etc
[09:28:46] <aarkerio> ok thx!
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[09:36:34] <HappyCoder> I'm moving my trac project from another linux system to debian. I can't run it. It complains: "Command failed: Database newer than Trac version". Please tell me what to do.
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[09:56:56] <ezzer> Anyone wanna make $50 this weekend helping me get my web-admin plugin working and installing XML-RPC plugin?
[09:57:15] <ezzer> Probably take less than an hour if you know what you're doing. I don't :-)
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[10:09:54] <ezzer> Nobody?
[10:12:05] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5816 (defect closed): error when using custom query <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5816#comment:1>
[10:15:16] <ezzer> Nice.
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[10:22:51] <ezzer> Noob question. I installed Trac 0.10.3 on Windows with python and Apache. It works fine, I can add/manage tickets and even see my SVN. But I installed the Web Admin with E:\setuptools>e:\Pyhton24\Scripts\easy_install http://svn.edgewall.com/repos/trac/sandbox/webadmin
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[10:26:02] <ezzer> It downloaded and installed the egg, processed webadmin, ran setup, processed dependencies for tracwebadmin and said "Finished processing dependencies for tracwebadmin==0.1.2dev--r5753
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[10:26:34] <ezzer> But I still don't ee it in my Trac menu, and I don't have any ability to "login".
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[10:26:57] <ezzer> I mean I see and can do everything right now, but have no accounts I guess.
[10:27:07] <ezzer> Can anyone help?
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[10:31:44] <ricky> ezzer: I haven't used webadmin, but this might be relevant: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WebAdmin
[10:32:42] <ricky> Specifically: " Since [2335], if you install the plugin globally, you'll also need to enable it in trac.ini as follows: [components] webadmin.* = enabled"
[10:33:30] <ezzer> Yeah, I have that stuff in the trac.ini
[10:33:43] <ezzer> Permissions �
[10:33:43] <ezzer> Don't forget to give TRAC_ADMIN permissions to one of your users. That user will see an "Admin" tab in the user interface. See TracPermissions for details. The TICKET_ADMIN permission also enables the "Admin" tab. It allows users to edit ticket field values (components, severities etc.) but does not give them control over permissions.
[10:33:52] <ezzer> I think that's my problem.
[10:33:56] <ezzer> I have no users.
[10:34:05] <ezzer> I don't understand security.
[10:34:22] <ezzer> Does trac use the SVN or Apache or it's own passwd file?
[10:34:36] <ezzer> I'm really new to the Apache thing.
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[10:40:55] <ezzer> So if anyone's a Trac expert and wants to make $50 helping me get this dialed-in...
[10:40:58] <ricky> I think trac uses Apache's to check authentication, then stores a cookie to keep track afterwards.
[10:43:19] <ricky> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracAuthenticationIntroduction has more details about setting up authentication.
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[10:52:43] <ricky> ezzer: Aw, come on ;) where's your sense of adventure? You'll probably have more luck asking around in here/#apache for apache-specific stuff.
[10:52:59] <ricky> I'm not a Trac expert, but I'm sure that a lot of people here will gladly help you for free :).
[10:53:34] <ezzer> OK, thanks. :-)
[10:55:47] <ezzer> I tried something yesterday that created a passwd file in C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache2\bin
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[10:57:54] <ezzer> I have this in my httpd.conf
[10:57:54] <ezzer> <Location /trac>
[10:57:54] <ezzer> SetHandler mod_python
[10:57:54] <ezzer> PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend
[10:57:54] <ezzer> PythonOption TracEnvParentDir e:\TracProjects
[10:57:55] <ezzer> PythonOption TracUriRoot /trac
[10:57:57] <ezzer> </Location>
[10:57:59] <ezzer>
[10:58:01] <ezzer> <LocationMatch "/trac/[^/]+/login">
[10:58:03] <ezzer> AuthType Basic
[10:58:05] <ezzer> AuthName "MySite.com"
[10:58:07] <ezzer> AuthUserFile passwd
[10:58:09] <ezzer> Require valid-user
[10:58:11] <ezzer> </LocationMatch>
[10:59:06] <ezzer> But this is in my trac.ini:
[10:59:06] <ezzer> [trac]
[10:59:06] <ezzer> authz_file =
[10:59:06] <ezzer> authz_module_name =
[10:59:10] <ricky> ezzer: Please don't paste in channel next time- there's a pastebin in /topic.
[10:59:28] <ezzer> Do I need to add the path to the Apache httpd.conf in that file?
[10:59:31] <ezzer> K
[11:00:47] <ricky> Yes, AuthUserFile shoudl point to the passwd file that you made with htpasswd.
[11:01:21] <ezzer> K, lemme try that.
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[11:04:10] <ezzer> What about authz_module_name?
[11:06:18] <ricky> Move it somewhere more logical and refer to the absolute path.
[11:06:21] <ricky> I think that's more for working will with Subversion auth.
[11:06:54] <lisppaste5> ezzer pasted "Trac" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/45610
[11:07:23] <ezzer> Ah, nice.
[11:07:44] <ezzer> I don't understand Ricky.
[11:07:51] <ezzer> Move what?
[11:08:16] <ezzer> I restarted Apache and hit my Trac and got that error.
[11:08:48] <ricky> I meant that passwd file.
[11:09:08] <ezzer> Move it somewhere else?
[11:09:23] <ezzer> Something's wrong with it according to the error.
[11:09:30] <ricky> Well, it doesn't make sense to leave it in the bin directory- just move it somewhere that makes sense.
[11:09:31] <ezzer> This is all that's in the file: gregl:$apr1$c83.....$vWquYbD9q0gGKVwhurgVe/
[11:09:45] <ricky> ezzer: The error message is probably because you have authz_file set in your trac.ini
[11:09:47] <ezzer> Sorry, none of this makes sense to me. :-)
[11:10:19] <ezzer> Wait, I thought that was supposed to be in trac.ini?
[11:10:27] <ricky> Remove those- that's for SVN permissions, and has nothing to do with Apache's authentication.
[11:10:30] <ricky> Nope.
[11:11:23] <ezzer> Dammit I'm confuzed. Take the authz_file line out of the trac.ini?
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[11:13:04] <ezzer> If that's what you're saying where should it be? And where should the passwd file be for Apache?
[11:13:09] <ricky> Yes, or just remove the file after =.
[11:13:35] <ricky> You don't need that line to be filled in at all at this point.
[11:13:55] <ricky> Maybe e:\tracprojects or something. Just somewhere more appropriate than the bin directory.
[11:14:16] <ricky> It's not a *requirement*, it's just good to keep your files organized.
[11:15:08] <ezzer> OK, so how do I tell trac where to look for authentication?
[11:15:43] <ezzer> I moved the passwd file to the tracProjects dir.
[11:16:06] <ricky> You don't need to, user checking done by Apache, not trac.
[11:16:08] <ricky> ^is
[11:16:15] <ezzer> I wish Trac installation would create a user for ya.
[11:16:37] <ezzer> OK, well I hit my trac site and it doesn't ask me to login.
[11:16:47] <ezzer> How do I tell Apache to make me login?
[11:16:53] <ricky> Click on the login link.
[11:19:33] <ezzer> When I created the passwd file I told it username gregl password gregl123 but the file has gregl:$apr1$c83.....$vWquYbD9q0gGKVwhurgVe/
[11:19:41] <ezzer> Is that encrypted or something?
[11:20:28] <ezzer> I tried changing it in the passwd file to gregl:gregl123 but when I try the login link it doesn't like that username/pw.
[11:20:50] <ezzer> See, I'm pretty lost. :-)
[11:22:27] <ricky> It's hashed.
[11:23:55] <ezzer> Well, it doesn't let me login.
[11:24:13] <ezzer> So I don't think the Trac login knows where to look to authenticate?
[11:25:28] <ezzer> See, this is why I'm not afraid to pay someone $50 to fix this so I can go and do something else that I can get paid to do.
[11:25:43] <ezzer> :-(
[11:28:27] <ricky> Trac doesn't need to know. Apache requires a valid-user for /login, and sets an env variable that trac can then pick up.
[11:29:32] <ezzer> OK, why doesn't it like this username/pw?
[11:30:00] <ezzer> How does apache know to look in the tracprojects/passwd?
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[11:34:56] <ricky> ezzer: The AuthUserFile directive has to refer to it.
[11:35:05] <ricky> As I said, give it the absolute path to the passwd file.
[11:35:32] <ezzer> That's in the httpd.conf?
[11:36:57] <ezzer> In the <Location /trac> block?
[11:37:20] <ezzer> I have one in the <Location /svn> block but not the trac one.
[11:38:55] <ezzer> Darn, it still doesn't like the username/pw.
[11:39:15] <ezzer> How do I create another user to be sure?
[11:39:27] <ricky> What's your current AuthUserFile line?
[11:40:08] <ezzer> AuthUserFile E:\TracProjects\passwd
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[11:41:14] <ricky> Does the apache error log say anything interesting?
[11:41:25] <ricky> And does your passwd file still contain gregl:gregl123?
[11:42:00] <ezzer> No, gregl:$apr1$c83.....$vWquYbD9q0gGKVwhurgVe/
[11:43:29] <ricky> OK. Check the error log.
[11:44:09] <ezzer> Dude, you have to explain a little further. What log, and where? :-)
[11:44:34] <ezzer> I don't have a good grasp on what the heck is running what her, Apache, Trac, Python...
[11:45:22] <ricky> See if there's a log directory under your apache directory.
[11:51:11] <ezzer> Could not open password file: C:/Program Files/Apache Group/Apache2/passwd
[11:51:20] <ezzer> OK, so it doesn't know we moved it.
[11:51:29] <ezzer> I restarted Apache a few times since then.
[11:53:29] <ricky> OK, looks like it still thinks you have "AuthUserFile passwd"
[11:53:38] <ricky> Make sure that doesn't show up anywhere.
[11:54:53] <ezzer> Yup, I did. There were 2 location tags for trac.
[11:55:25] <ezzer> <LocationMatch "/trac/[^/]+/login"> this one had it.
[11:55:53] <ezzer> OK, so now I'm logged in.
[11:57:14] <ezzer> But I'm trying to figure out the trac-admin thing. I need to do "permission add gregl TRAC_ADMIN" right?
[11:58:05] <ezzer> I'm doing a search for trac-admin.exe but not having any luck.
[11:58:47] <ezzer> It doesn't appear to be on the C drive.
[11:59:26] <ricky> Hmm.. I wouldn't know about trac on windows- see if there's any documentation for windows.
[12:00:05] <ricky> Hmm.. a quick google search shows a scripts directory under the python directory.
[12:00:23] <ezzer> Ah.
[12:00:26] <ricky> But how did you initenv without trac-admin in the first place?
[12:00:34] <ricky> (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnWindows)
[12:01:10] <ezzer> There's a trac-admin and a trac-admin.py
[12:03:47] <ricky> And the example in the docs says to use.....
[12:08:13] <ezzer> Man this is tricky.
[12:08:28] <ezzer> Why doesn't someone package up a windows installer. I'd pay for it!
[12:09:53] <ricky> Money can't replace careful reading of the documentation :)
[12:10:45] <ezzer> OK, so I did trac-admin.py E:\TracProjects permission add gregl TRAC_ADMIN
[12:11:34] <ezzer> But I restarted Apache and clicked the "logout" link. I click the "login" link and it logs me in without a username/pw. But I still don't see the Admin in the menu.
[12:12:58] <ezzer> How can I tell if Web admin is installed?
[12:13:02] <ezzer> I thought I did it.
[12:14:58] <ricky> That's because your browser keep the authentication.
[12:15:28] <ezzer> Is there a way to tell if web admin is installed?
[12:15:29] <ricky> I don't know anything about web admin, though- taking a look at the docs.
[12:15:32] <ezzer> Ah.
[12:17:54] <ricky> Hmm.. I'm not sure.
[12:19:43] <ricky> Oh, actually, yeah- you should see an admin tab.
[12:20:19] <ezzer> I thought that was onyl if I had TRAC_ADMIN permissions.
[12:20:47] <ricky> Which you should now.
[12:21:09] <ezzer> Hmm. Lemme try installing it again.
[12:21:28] <coderanger> Look in the log
[12:21:31] <coderanger> @faq logging
[12:21:31] <evil_twin> coderanger: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
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[12:32:28] <ezzer> Booya!
[12:32:46] <ezzer> OK, now the XML-RPC plugin. :-)
[12:33:34] <coderanger> What version of Trac are you using
[12:33:44] <ezzer> 0.10.3
[12:33:49] <coderanger> should work fine
[12:33:59] <ezzer> Have you seen the Mylyn plugin for Eclipse?
[12:34:51] <coderanger> Seen it
[12:34:58] <ezzer> I got Project Locker to install that plugin for one of my client's trac. It's cool huh?
[12:35:44] <coderanger> I avoid eclipse at all costs
[12:35:54] <ezzer> I've only got my head around the context tab, but the Trac tab interface is cool when you have the XML-RPC plugin.
[12:36:05] <ezzer> I fought it for a long time.
[12:36:17] <ezzer> Mylyn is keeping me interested in it.
[12:36:38] <coderanger> I have my own integration layer with some bash scripts and textmate
[12:37:15] <ezzer> Ah.
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[12:37:38] <ezzer> I do Coldfusion so I'm just trying to convert from Homesite.
[12:38:41] <coderanger> Python ftw ;-)
[12:43:42] <ezzer> OK, it doesn't look like I can add a user with web admin?
[12:43:45] <ezzer> Grr.
[12:43:54] <coderanger> You need the AccountManager plugin
[12:44:24] <ezzer> Do you know how to "permissions" and "actions"?
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[12:46:44] <ezzer> What's the difference between "bin" and "src"?
[12:48:03] <ezzer> I don't know what to do with a tar.
[12:48:30] <ezzer> There are zip files for the XML-RPC plugin but they are version 2 not 3.
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[12:53:38] <coderanger> ezzer: Use subversion to get a checkout
[12:53:49] <ezzer> Yeah, I did that.
[12:53:58] <ezzer> But I can't figure out what to do with it now.
[12:54:14] <ezzer> It's not a exe it's a whole directory full of code.
[12:54:28] <ezzer> I can't find any installation instructions.
[12:55:57] <coderanger> @wiki TracPlugins
[12:55:58] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPlugins
[12:56:06] <coderanger> Same way you install any trac plugin
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[12:58:24] <ezzer> Ah right. :-)
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[13:09:20] <ezzer> Have you used the account manager plugin?
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[13:10:38] <ezzer> I have it installed and put acct_mgr.* = enabled in the trac.ini. Restarted apache, logged out and back in and still I don't see the "Accounts" menu item.
[13:20:29] <ezzer> Damn, I've enabled everthing even seperately in the trac.ini and still don't see anything.
[13:20:43] <coderanger> You do see Admin though?
[13:21:40] <ezzer> Yeah, but in the Admin screen there's supposed to be a new menu iten on top Accounts right?
[13:21:49] <coderanger> Yes
[13:21:56] <coderanger> What do you see in the log for the loading phase?
[13:22:04] <ezzer> Hmm.
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