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August 05, 2007

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[01:48:14] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5612 (defect closed): Cannot delete severity created with " " (space) as name <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5612#comment:7>
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[02:18:29] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: 0.11/TracPermissions edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracPermissions> || 0.11/TracPermissions edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracPermissions> || 0.11/TracPermissions edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracPermissions>
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[02:48:39] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: 0.11/TracIni edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracIni>
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[03:18:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #2185 (defect closed): TracPermissions is unclear about case-sensitivity <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2185#comment:10>
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[05:49:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5178 (defect closed): Trac requires re-sync after editing Wiki main page <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5178#comment:6> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || Ticket #5365 (defect closed): Can't access the Wiki <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5365#comment:5> || Ticket #5365 (defect reopened): Can't access the Wiki <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5365#comment:4> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros> || 0.11/TracMacros edited by ThurnerRupert <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros>
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[06:19:53] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5274 (task closed): Documentation for macros in 0.11 <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5274#comment:5>
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[07:19:42] <aat> evening
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[07:50:29] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5274 (task reopened): Documentation for macros in 0.11 <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5274#comment:6>
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[08:45:11] <BleSS> I installed mercurial plgin globally. Is there any global config file to set it before of set up a trac project?
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[08:47:03] <Blackhex2> hello everyone
[08:47:26] <otaku42_home> BleSS: not sure about the mercurial plugin, but usually trac plugins get their configuration from trac's trac.ini (that of the environment that uses the plugins)
[08:48:13] <BleSS> and where create a global trac.ini?
[08:51:11] <otaku42_home> Blackhex2: that is created along with the environment of a new trac project, as explained here: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall#CreatingaProjectEnvironment
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[08:59:41] <otaku42_home> sorry, my last line was meant for BleSS...
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[09:14:34] <Blackhex2> anyone experienced with d-bus?
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[09:51:16] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5274 (task closed): Documentation for macros in 0.11 <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5274#comment:8>
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[10:03:56] <aat> mod_wsgi rocks my world
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[10:19:09] <thatch> aat: does it rock your world in the 'easy to configure' sense or the 'low ram usage' sense?
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[10:21:26] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5822 (defect closed): password reset? <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5822#comment:1> || Ticket #5822 (defect created): password reset? <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5822>
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[10:37:21] <Blackhex2> how would you create object methods dynamically depending on its constructor?
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[11:00:17] <omry> are wiki page drafts saved anywhere on the server?
[11:00:35] <omry> my browser just crashed after a 20 minutes edit
[11:01:22] <otaku42_home> omry: no, drafts are not saved (at least they are not in trac 0.10.x, not sure about 0.11dev)
[11:01:43] <omry> bummer.
[11:01:52] <exarkun> install mozex, edit text areas with emacs
[11:02:00] <omry> I am digging into my squid cache dir, maybe I`ll find it there.
[11:04:31] <omry> looks like its not there
[11:04:34] <omry> damn
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[11:22:23] <danlarkin> Howdy all!
[11:22:41] <danlarkin> I'm trying to install trac-bzr, and it says to add the following to my components,
[11:22:44] <danlarkin> "tracbzr.* = enabled"
[11:22:53] <danlarkin> I'm a loss on how to do that
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[11:35:09] <otaku42_home> danlarkin: that needs to be added to the "[components]" section in the trac.ini of the environment you want to use the plugin for
[11:36:10] <danlarkin> ahhh ha. And if there is no [components] section, create it
[11:36:18] <danlarkin> brilliant!
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[11:39:15] <jd_> Hello, I have two project in svn and two corresponding trac environment. Via the web I can access, say, the source code of project 'foo', but there is no mention of foo in the url, just http://bart/trac.cgi/browser/trunk
[11:39:39] <jd_> How can I access the source code of the second project?
[11:40:50] <coderanger> jd_: You need to access the other environment, wherever it is
[11:41:35] <jd_> say the other project is 'bar', how should the url look like?
[11:41:49] <coderanger> That depends on how you setup Trac
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[11:57:34] <jd_> How do trac admins do to serve multiple projects? :
[11:57:54] <jd_> different directories in the same svn repository and one trac environment
[11:57:57] <jd_> or several svn projects and several trac environment?
[11:57:57] <coderanger> jd_: Well first off I would ditch CGI
[11:58:12] <coderanger> Then look up TRAC_ENV_PARENT_PATH
[11:59:36] <jd_> in the apache conf? I can only see SetEnv TRAC_ENV "/var/www/trac/f-spot"
[11:59:47] <coderanger> Look it up in the docs
[11:59:52] <jd_> ok
[12:06:56] <jd_> I re-read trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracCgi and it seems to work according to my need. Thank you
[12:07:06] <coderanger> See point #1
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[12:21:37] <Holmen> Trying to setup a debian server with Subversion and trac...I've used apt-get install subversion / trac but where do I go from now? I created a repository with svn though how do I link it to trac and how do I get trac to load on my apache2 server?
[12:22:11] <coderanger> @wiki TracModPython
[12:22:11] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModPython
[12:22:13] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: 0.11/TracMacros edited by nkantrowitz <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracMacros>
[12:22:13] <coderanger> or
[12:22:22] <coderanger> @wiki TracFastCgi
[12:22:22] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFastCgi
[12:23:55] <Holmen> have installed the mod_python and tried to setup the <Location /project> section in apache2.conf ...though no luck there...the mod_python test section works <Location /mpinfo>
[12:24:19] <coderanger> See http://weston.coderanger.net/~coderanger/httpd for example configs
[12:29:49] <Holmen> PythonOption TracEnv /var/trac/myproject <--- Which directory is that ..the svn repos?
[12:31:40] <thatch> Holmen: no, the directory you did 'trac-admin <dir> initenv' on
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[12:43:07] <jd_> The installation of web app is difficult:. Webserver changes, distribution changes, modules changes. OTOH, Java servlets can run in any container and on any virtual machines. Do you feel the WSGI can help to standardize webapp in python, like servlet do in Java?
[12:47:24] <coderanger> jd_: No, in fact it does the opposite
[12:48:13] <coderanger> WSGI provides for reusable bridges between almost any major webapp deployment system and itself
[12:48:43] <coderanger> HTTP, FCGI, SCGI, AJP, CGI, etc
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[12:50:49] <coderanger> Outside of mod_wsgi, which is still largely experimental, WSGI isn't supported natively by much. Just the CherryPy and Paste servers really
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[12:58:13] <jd_> Mmh, and Zope, and Twisted... But what is the alternative to writing docs like {Trac,Moinmoin,Mediawiki} on {fasctcgi,modpython} on {lighttpd,apache} on {debian,bsd,windows}?
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[12:58:50] <coderanger> Unfortunately there isn't one
[12:59:04] <coderanger> Take trac on debian for example
[12:59:28] <coderanger> it is unlike all other platforms because the debian devs decided to move the global config file
[13:01:21] <coderanger> WSGI unifies some parts of deployment, but things like config files and DBs are still a pain
[13:01:34] <jd_> IMHO, they did that because the apache conf file is vewy long and because it offers modularity at the virtual hosts levels
[13:01:48] <coderanger> huh?
[13:02:29] <Holmen--> hmm at least I get some positive response from the server now :P ....500 Internal server error when accessing the trac address. When I read the apache2/error.log I get the following ....
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[13:03:18] <Holmen--> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/bin/VERSION'
[13:03:33] <Holmen--> ./usr/bin is where I've set my TracEnv to
[13:04:07] <coderanger> Holmen: I highly doubt thats correct
[13:05:54] <Holmen--> ok
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[13:07:43] <Holmen--> trac-admin /path/to/projenv wiki list <--- should that path be towards a directory in my www/htdocs structure or my svn repos?
[13:08:01] <coderanger> @wiki TracEnvironment
[13:08:01] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracEnvironment
[13:08:21] <coderanger> That should answer some questions
[13:11:06] <jd_> coderanger: the servlet standard has resolved several difficulties with webapp so that there is now the siplet standard (for sip VoIP application). We can switch the JVM and SIPlet container from different constructors, under our application without worrying too much about compatibility. And I am talking about multiservers/high available application. I would like python to be able to offer that...
[13:11:42] <coderanger> Thats not the issue
[13:12:02] <coderanger> You can already do that with numerous technologies, including WSGI
[13:12:24] <coderanger> The problem is handling something like DB deployment and replication in a cross-DB, cross-OS fashion
[13:13:42] <jd_> Ok, I was focusing on the configuration webserving interface, indeed, DB is another issue...
[13:14:15] <coderanger> If you have a server that natively supports WSGI, its very similar to the idea of a servlet
[13:17:21] <coderanger> config files are a similar problem to the DB as well
[13:17:41] <coderanger> Except its even more fun to deal with replication
[13:19:21] <jd_> i'll watch the progress of the mod_wsgi for apache
[13:21:25] <jd_> and the progres of trac.wsgi ...
[13:22:01] <Holmen--> http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2892 <-- I get that problem when I'm trying to initiate my environment ...hadn't than properly before, though his own reply to his problem said he had missed something when connecting but that is not my issue.
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[13:22:49] <Holmen--> *had not done that before
[13:23:12] <coderanger> jd_: Trac is a fully WSGI compliant app
[13:26:03] <Holmen--> I have both python2.4 and python2.5 installed ...could it be somekind of issue with thoose two installed at the same time?
[13:26:35] <jd_> ok, provided apache is distributed with the mod_wsgi, do you think it will simplify deployment or compatibility with other web server?
[13:27:21] <jd_> Holmen: I happen to have python2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 installed, and my install seems to be working ok
[13:27:28] <Holmen--> rgr
[13:27:37] <coderanger> jd_: Given that the generally preferred high-volume deployment option for Trac is Lighty+FCGI via. flup, I doubt it
[13:28:06] <Holmen--> Failed to create environment. need more than 1 value to unpack <--- that's the error mesage I get
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[13:28:44] <jd_> Holmen, I got that error an hour ago, I used the interactive setuo after that
[13:28:52] <coderanger> Holmen--: What db conn string are you giving
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[13:29:30] <Holmen--> the default db/trac.db
[13:29:52] <coderanger> You mean sqlite://.....
[13:29:59] <coderanger> Just use the interactive method
[13:31:05] <Holmen--> when asked to insert the database connection string ...I typ db/trac.db ...should I type sqlite:db/trac.db?
[13:31:12] <Holmen--> *type
[13:31:17] <jd_> I think I had this error when I used the batch method and typed 'trac-admin init-env <my-project>' instead of 'trac-admin <my-project> init-env '
[13:31:22] <jd_> I typed the default
[13:31:35] <jd_> but I was in the correct working directory already
[13:31:59] <coderanger> Holmen--: Did you actually read the comment on that ticket? :P
[13:32:07] <Holmen--> yea
[13:32:17] <Holmen--> though I don't understand much of it
[13:33:38] <coderanger> You need to give the DB type as part of the conn string
[13:33:43] <coderanger> the correct default it "sqlite:db/trac.db"
[13:34:01] <coderanger> (which is a path relative to the env, not the cwd)
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[13:46:56] <coderanger> cmlenz: Ping
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[13:57:38] <Holmen> hmm I'm trying to upgrade my trac environment but all I get is "Command failed: an integer is required"
[13:57:48] <coderanger> Holmen: Check the log
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[14:01:54] <Holmen> it says WARNING: Component <trac.env.EnvironmentSetup object at 0xb6f6bc2c> required environment upgrade
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[15:16:12] <Blackhex2> coderanger_: ping?
[15:18:54] <coderanger> pong
[15:21:58] <Blackhex2> please do you know how to add method to an object dynamically (from string)
[15:22:29] <coderanger> string of what
[15:22:38] <Blackhex2> I have created code object but I don't know how to make a method from it
[15:22:45] <Blackhex2> stric of mehtod definition
[15:22:51] <coderanger> Don't
[15:23:07] <coderanger> If you reeeeeally trust the string, use eval
[15:23:46] <Blackhex2> I just need a object which creates its owns methdos depending on constructor arguments
[15:23:53] <coderanger> Actually I guess it needs to be exec
[15:24:16] <coderanger> Okay, why does that require doing string->method?
[15:24:58] <Blackhex2> no I just think that I generate string with method definition inside a constructor and then I compile it as a method
[15:26:32] <coderanger> Just use def
[15:26:45] <coderanger> You can define a local function and then assign it into place
[15:27:11] <Blackhex2> but I need to define that function dynamically
[15:27:22] <Blackhex2> in run-time
[15:27:36] <coderanger> Okay
[15:28:05] <coderanger> I still don't see why this is at all complex
[15:28:20] <coderanger> Its just a local function
[15:29:16] <Blackhex2> somethin like http://paste.lisp.org/display/45677
[15:30:01] <Blackhex2> but what method will be and their argumenst depends on what is in methods constructor argument
[15:32:33] <coderanger> http://paste.lisp.org/display/45677#2
[15:34:10] * coderanger -> dinner
[15:35:25] <Blackhex2> ok, otherwise: if I pass methods = [('test1', 'string')] I want create a object which has one method test1 with one string argument, If I pass methods = [('test2', 'int')] I whant a object with mehtod test2 which has one integer argument
[15:36:55] <Blackhex2> ignore that I forgot how python handle types
[15:37:31] <coderanger> def test(): pass
[15:37:42] <coderanger> setattr(self, name, test)
[15:38:17] <Blackhex2> ok and If I want a variable number of methods
[15:38:20] <Blackhex2> ?
[15:38:26] <coderanger> do that in a loop
[15:38:50] <Blackhex2> and variable number of arguments?
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[15:45:41] <Blackhex2> http://paste.lisp.org/display/45677#3
[15:53:37] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5824 (defect created): Unicode characters in my source code don't show up in browsing source code <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5824>
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[16:42:16] <Blackhex2> coderanger_: ok thanks for consultation, I just needed exec of string with definition of whole class.
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[18:11:39] <matiu> Is there something like "groups of permissions"
[18:12:36] <moolight> yep, grant it to any not registered nick, and the nick won't be registered
[18:14:28] <matiu> I migrated a lot of trac sites, that before had "admin" and "developer" rights granted
[18:14:49] <matiu> they're still showing up in trac-admin, but not having any effect..
[18:15:39] <moolight> "Second, I applied for some ��funding�� from Google by submitting Bitten as a Summer of Code project."
[18:15:50] <moolight> does it mean cmlenz is a student?
[18:17:17] <Blackhex2> If I understand that sentence he'll be a garant
[18:17:17] <coderanger> mOolight: He was
[18:17:56] <coderanger> matiu: Read the TracPermissions page
[18:18:14] <matiu> Thanks coderanger
[18:29:49] <matiu> Is there any reason those groups would have been lost in an migration + upgrade ?
[18:31:26] <coderanger> How did you do the migration?
[18:35:32] <matiu> rar'd all the dirs,
[18:35:38] <matiu> unrared on new server
[18:35:52] <matiu> ran trac-admin upgrade on each trac repo
[18:36:11] <matiu> it seems the permission groups are still there, and TRAC_ADMIN is still part of admin group
[18:36:25] <matiu> but not showing up in UI
[18:36:37] <matiu> does the new UI have some hidden admin button or something?
[18:37:47] <Blackhex2> whic version?
[18:37:58] <matiu> oh, btw I stopped apache before raring the dirs..
[18:38:08] <matiu> 0.10.4
[18:38:17] <matiu> upgraded from some mega old one
[18:38:28] <Blackhex2> 0.10 has still WebAdmin as a plugin
[18:38:52] <Blackhex2> so you should install a plugin and enable it in trac.ini if you want administration IU
[18:39:40] <matiu> ah
[18:39:44] <matiu> Thanks heaps Blackhex2
[18:57:00] <matiu> OK I installed it in /usr/share/trac/plugins
[18:57:09] <matiu> and enabled it in one of our tracs using the trac.ini file
[18:57:18] <matiu> How can I enabled it in all tracs?
[18:57:29] <matiu> (without updating all the ini files_
[18:57:32] <Blackhex2> I hope that in global trac.ini
[18:58:21] <Blackhex2> /usr/share/trac/conf/trac.ini IIRC
[18:58:39] <Blackhex2> but read a docs if you need to be sure
[19:01:42] <matiu> I just ran a vim macro on all files :/
[19:01:59] <matiu> But thanks, I'll add restrict_owner = true to the global one
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[19:07:39] <matiu> So if I put things in the global trac file, will the individual trac.ini file's override them by re-declaring them?
[19:07:51] <matiu> Also, where is the global trac file on windoze ?
[19:07:54] <coderanger> If they are defined in both
[19:08:09] <coderanger> Usually c:\python24\share\trac\conf\trac.ini or similar
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[19:16:36] <moolight> anyone know how to make http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/VisitCouterMacro non-macro? so i won't have to add macro to each page.
[19:16:57] <coderanger> Hrmm, what kind of info do you want?
[19:17:19] <moolight> just record and show the page visit counter
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[19:17:56] <coderanger> Per page?
[19:18:04] <moolight> per wiki page
[19:18:22] <coderanger> There is an integration plugin for firestats
[19:18:29] <coderanger> or you could use google analytics
[19:19:08] <coderanger> Or you could make a nice plugin to do it :)
[19:20:23] <moolight> that requires a great knowledge writing trac plugin :)
[19:21:58] <coderanger> Depends on how fancy you want to make it
[19:25:04] <aat> hello
[19:25:21] <aat> migration is almost complete coderanger
[19:25:29] <coderanger> w00t
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[19:27:36] <aat> much, much snappier
[19:27:45] <aat> using mod_wsgi too, which is SO easy
[19:28:06] <aat> also made a workingenv for each python app so the global site-packages doesn't get polluted to hell
[19:28:17] <aat> feels good doing it right ;)
[19:30:48] <coderanger> Shiny
[19:30:56] <coderanger> This is the rc1 for mod_wsgi?
[19:32:16] <aat> yep
[19:32:20] <aat> trac-hacks.swapoff.org
[19:35:25] <coderanger> Are you going to move it to 0.11 too? Or is that an odyssey for another day
[19:37:27] <aat> another day
[19:37:30] <aat> fight this fire first
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[19:41:46] <moolight> ah... i want checkboxes instead of radios for http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PollMacro
[19:42:38] <moolight> even though most of the plugins is almost perfect, i always found my needs is beyond them
[19:42:56] <aat> can't please all of the people all of the time
[19:43:09] <aat> can't be all things to all people
[19:43:11] <aat> etc.
[19:43:15] <coderanger> mOolight: Its open source, its your fault if you don't like it ;-)
[19:43:58] <moolight> time to hack it myself
[19:44:23] <coderanger> pollmacro could probably do with a tuneup one of these days
[19:44:58] <aat> it really could
[19:46:33] <moolight> do u mean it's gonna support multiple checks?
[19:47:06] <aat> doubtful
[19:47:24] <aat> but if you create a ticket with a patch it might
[19:47:42] <moolight> k, i'll create it first. and try to hack it later
[19:48:09] <coderanger> mOolight: Just because it needs work, doesn't mean its likely to happen on a useful timeline
[19:48:16] <coderanger> See also: most of my plugins
[19:49:59] <aat> this new server has an excessive amount of disk
[19:50:05] <aat> 300GB..
[19:50:12] <aat> maybe i should start hosting porn
[19:50:23] <coderanger> aat: I was about to say exactly that :P
[19:50:48] <coderanger> Trouble is that takes bandwidth too
[19:51:14] <aat> i also have 1TB of bandwidth a month ;)
[19:51:25] <coderanger> hah, nice
[19:52:43] <moolight> what is http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketNinjaPlugin for? :)
[19:52:54] <coderanger> mOolight: Nothing, I need to delete that
[19:53:50] <coderanger> mOolight: I switched to developing it as port of trac core
[19:54:48] <moolight> what feature/functions is planned?
[19:54:59] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5825 (defect created): wiki checking <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5825>
[19:55:14] <aat> i think http://trac-hacks.swapoff.org/tags is a bit nicer
[19:57:07] <coderanger> mOolight: http://dev.coderanger.net/ninja/main/triage?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&order=priority
[19:58:06] <coderanger> mOolight: Its a hybrid between the query system and an editing interface
[19:58:23] <moolight> cool
[19:58:32] <coderanger> mOolight: Deigned for both bulk edits and general rapid triage/editing
[19:58:36] <moolight> but i'm afraid i cannot look up 'triage' in my english dict
[19:58:46] <moolight> excel alike :D
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