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August 07, 2007

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[00:02:22] <jannic> I sometimes have the impression that loading a trac page takes much too long. just clicking the link again helps, so it's not the machine being overloaded. It's more like something got out of sync and is waiting for some timeout. unfortunately I was unable to reproduce this behaviour reliably. did anybody else observe this? (and sorry for the vague description - it's only a subjective observation by now)
[00:03:09] <jannic> it's 0.10.3 from debian/etch with apache2, ssl, and mod_python, if that matters
[00:06:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5830 (defect created): problem installing trac <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5830>
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[00:07:34] <asmodai> jannic: only delays I've experienced is with the pygments highlighting of semi-large - large files.
[00:22:12] <jannic> asmodai: I see it with simple actions like posting a new ticket. from another browser I can see that the newly created ticket is already on the server and can be loaded quickly, while the browser where I posted the ticket is still loading the response page.
[00:23:03] <aat> coderanger: performance seems to be very good, but so much else has changed that it's really difficult to tell
[00:23:13] <jannic> but as I said, that's just a subjective observation. if it occurs often enough I'll try to get some more details.
[00:25:02] <aat> hey asmodai
[00:26:22] <asmodai> aat: :D
[00:26:51] <asmodai> aat: how ya doin' mon?
[00:27:01] <aat> goodgood
[00:27:04] <aat> still at work though!
[00:27:59] <asmodai> Bumma!
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[00:36:42] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5831 (defect created): Chinese date not recognized <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5831>
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[01:17:28] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: trac should cache the highlighted files
[01:18:32] <aat> trac could use a caching api
[01:19:28] <asmodai> mitsuhiko: mmm
[01:19:36] <asmodai> Is that should:
[01:19:43] <asmodai> 1) it does cache
[01:19:52] <asmodai> 2) it is a feature trac needs
[01:19:55] <mitsuhiko> 2)
[01:20:00] <asmodai> Ah ok
[01:20:03] * asmodai nods
[01:20:19] <asmodai> At least genshi gained speedups ;)
[01:20:35] <mitsuhiko> some languages like ruby are expensive to highlight
[01:20:37] <mitsuhiko> asmodai: how that?
[01:22:46] <asmodai> build/temp.freebsd-6.2-STABLE-i386-2.5/genshi/_speedups.o
[01:22:53] <asmodai> natively compiled portion
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[02:07:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracFaq edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq>
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[03:07:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5830 (defect closed): problem installing trac <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5830#comment:1>
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[03:43:26] <MrRagga> hi, how to disable wiki, timeline etc... i only need the browse source option to be displayed
[03:43:46] <aat> @faq ini
[03:43:47] <evil_twin> aat: "ini" is See http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracIni for details on the Trac configuration file.
[03:44:13] <aat> add the appropriate disables to the [components] section of trac.ini
[03:44:32] <aat> trac.wiki.* = disabled
[03:44:39] <aat> etc.
[03:46:59] <asmodai> aat.enabled = true
[03:49:40] <aat> WOOT
[03:51:01] <asmodai> :D
[03:51:04] <asmodai> home yet?
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[04:00:59] <aat> nope!
[04:01:10] <aat> i should get home though, the other half will kick my arse
[04:02:50] <MrRagga> aat: thanks
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[04:16:28] <MrRagga> aat: does not work. it doesn't disappear. do i have to restart the tracd?
[04:16:49] <aat> yes
[04:16:51] * aat -> home
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[05:08:12] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracPermissions edited by shepting@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions> || Trac0.11/TracInstall edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/Trac0.11/TracInstall> || TracPermissions edited by shepting@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions> || ticket_admin.png attached to TracPermissions <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracPermissions/ticket_admin.png> || permissions.png attached to TracPermissions <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracPermissions/permissions.png> || TracReports edited by noamtm@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracReports> || admin.png attached to TracPermissions <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracPermissions/admin.png>
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[05:24:03] <AlexTrofast> Morning, I had a question about the sizes of various fields in the Trac DB
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[05:38:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited by radek.novak@lazyheads.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers>
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[05:43:31] <Lucas_Ste> I'm migrating my trac env from 0.10.4 to 0.11
[05:44:04] <Lucas_Ste> I just install trac 0.11, and run trac-admin /env/path upgrade
[05:44:25] <Lucas_Ste> after that
[05:44:55] <Lucas_Ste> I'm receiving a 403 forbidden by apache2
[05:45:12] <Lucas_Ste> some tip to resolve this?
[05:50:42] <Lucas_Ste> Have some manual operation after upgrade?
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[05:56:03] <Evolution> anyone available to help with a custom sql query. I'm trying to beat this thing into submission, but so far it's smarter than me.
[05:56:33] <Evolution> I'm trying to modify the existing 'Color coded Tickets' in the base trac instance to add a custom field also.
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[06:59:19] <mike-cp> hi, i'm trying to write a small utility in Java for logging into a trac instance and submitting a ticket
[06:59:46] <mike-cp> i'm using HttpURLConnection to construct the HTTP request, but i can't seem to login (i've managed to submit tickets anonymously)
[07:00:23] <mike-cp> i sniffed the HTTP requests being sent to login via a browser, and reconstruct them exactly (or so I believe) in my code
[07:01:13] <mike-cp> but i keep getting 403 returned from the trac server with no particularly useful error message other than i'm not allowed to view the requested resource, in this case, the wiki page in the trac instance
[07:01:21] <mike-cp> has anyone done this before?
[07:04:59] * retracile_ is now known as retracile
[07:05:58] <retracile> mike-cp: you're probably missing a value in the form... there's a key in that to prevent cross-site-scripting attacks
[07:06:11] <retracile> mike-cp: Also, you may want to look into the xmlrpc plugin on trachacs
[07:07:20] <retracile> trac-hacks
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[07:08:40] <mike-cp> retracile, there's no form that's submitted for the login, it just goes to the /login page which asks for Basic HTTP authorization, and i'm setting the Authorization http header in the request i construct
[07:09:11] <mike-cp> i'm trying to read the source...i'm in auth.py right now, hopefully that's the right place, but i'm having problems figuring out the flow as I don't actually know python
[07:10:50] <mike-cp> and i'd expect a 401 error if my login was failing as that's the header for needing to auth to view a resource
[07:11:17] <mike-cp> 403 as i understand it, means the server understood the request, but refuses to fulfill it for whatever reason
[07:12:10] <mike-cp> i actually don't see anywhere in auth.py where a 403 error is thrown, which leads me to believe i'm looking in the wrong place
[07:19:18] <mike-cp> in grepping through the trac source download, the only place 403's are mentioned is in TracModPython, so perhaps its a configuration issue and not a problem with my code?
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[07:31:22] <Lucas_Ste> Hi All
[07:31:37] <Lucas_Ste> My migration to 0.11dev it's works
[07:32:06] <Lucas_Ste> now, Anyone can give me a link or tip to translate trac
[07:34:47] <Lucas_Ste> hi??
[07:34:48] <evil_twin> Somebody said hi is it possible to force all tracs on a system to use a certain template, Lucas_Ste
[07:35:51] <Lucas_Ste> evil: in the case of 0.11 , is used babel project
[07:36:24] <Lucas_Ste> but I didn't find docs to made translations
[07:39:12] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracTermsRu edited by sergeych <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTermsRu>
[07:41:34] <Lucas_Ste> coderanger_: How works ticketninga plugin?
[07:41:44] <Lucas_Ste> *ticketninja
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[07:45:09] <thomasvs> pacopablo: I didn't follow up for a while on the LDAP account manager plugin
[07:45:27] <thomasvs> pacopablo: I was wondering what's the easiest way to proceed - I was thinking I just stick your code into an svn I have somewhere and start refactoring for my use case as well
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[07:52:17] <pacopablo> morning
[07:52:23] <aat> morning paco
[07:52:48] <pacopablo> thomasvs: give me a few and I'll put it on trac-hacks.org
[07:53:00] <pacopablo> then I'll have aat give you perms to the repos
[07:53:23] <thomasvs> pacopablo: that works too, cool
[07:53:46] <thomasvs> pacopablo: I'll try and maintain it as a patch set first so you can review and approve
[07:54:01] <pacopablo> k
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[08:34:48] <AlexTrofast> Hey anybody familiar with the DB Schema here?
[08:35:24] <pacopablo> yes
[08:35:41] <AlexTrofast> Alright, so almost all fields are text right?
[08:36:02] <AlexTrofast> What are the expected lengths of those fields?
[08:36:24] <pacopablo> there isn't, most of them are text fields, arbitrary length
[08:36:43] <AlexTrofast> Okay let me rephrase: What length could I expect in certain fields from usage of Trac
[08:36:50] <AlexTrofast> Are many of them long like in the 10s of thousands?
[08:37:00] <pacopablo> that question doesn't make any sense
[08:37:04] <pacopablo> arbitrary lenghts
[08:37:05] <AlexTrofast> Hmmm
[08:37:11] <AlexTrofast> Okay so here's my problem
[08:37:19] <AlexTrofast> I'm writing a plugin to use Ingres as teh backend DB
[08:37:40] <AlexTrofast> Ingres works quite differently when it comes to the text datatype
[08:37:46] <AlexTrofast> For one the maximum length is 32000 characters
[08:37:53] <AlexTrofast> Same with varchar
[08:37:57] <pacopablo> that's crap, but oh well
[08:38:23] <AlexTrofast> So my question is, which fields in which tables could I expect to be that long?
[08:38:30] <AlexTrofast> When data is inserted
[08:40:29] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/DatabaseSchema
[08:40:46] <pacopablo> wiki pages and tickets are the most likely
[08:40:57] <pacopablo> though a milestone has the possibility also
[08:41:17] <pacopablo> for most normal use cases, you probably won't hit 32K
[08:41:35] <pacopablo> but it is feasable in a wiki page
[08:41:52] <AlexTrofast> Okay so wiki.text, ticket.description and milestone.description?
[08:42:18] <pacopablo> and ticket_change.newvalue
[08:42:48] <AlexTrofast> Okay that's great, Ingres offers another data type called long varchar which can hold a lot more, but it can't be ordered or sorted or searched on
[08:43:03] <AlexTrofast> So I was thinking of just making the required field that data type and the others smaller varchars
[08:43:13] <pacopablo> man, I just lost some respect for Ingres
[08:43:34] <AlexTrofast> Have you used it?
[08:43:56] <pacopablo> no
[08:44:12] <pacopablo> but what's up with not having a TEXT type
[08:44:21] <pacopablo> and not being able to searhc or sort on it?
[08:44:22] <AlexTrofast> It does, but it's essentially a varchar
[08:44:33] <AlexTrofast> But I was told it's an older data type with some oddities
[08:44:34] <pacopablo> but you said it has a max length of 32K
[08:44:43] <AlexTrofast> Yeah, varchar and text have a max length of 32k
[08:44:52] <AlexTrofast> long varchar has a max size of like 2gbs
[08:45:03] <pacopablo> ahh, but you can't sort on it
[08:45:07] <AlexTrofast> Right
[08:45:17] <AlexTrofast> So true text fields that are just there to store info should be long varchar
[08:45:20] <AlexTrofast> everything else varchar
[08:45:21] <pacopablo> any limits on length of keys?
[08:45:23] <AlexTrofast> So that you can sort it
[08:45:27] <AlexTrofast> Yes, 2k
[08:45:32] <AlexTrofast> Already accounted for that
[08:45:43] <pacopablo> ugh, you *may* run into an issue with that
[08:45:56] <AlexTrofast> MySQL limits length of keys as well
[08:45:56] <pacopablo> as MySQL has the same issue, except 1K
[08:46:00] <AlexTrofast> Ahhh
[08:46:09] <pacopablo> yeah, and that's one of the reasons that MySQL support sucks
[08:46:18] <AlexTrofast> Where would I run into trouble?
[08:46:29] <pacopablo> of course MySQL makes it worse by using 3bytes for each unicode character
[08:46:36] <asmodai> MySQL < *
[08:46:44] <AlexTrofast> Heh, Ingres uses 1 byte, just like a regular char
[08:46:48] <AlexTrofast> I think
[08:46:55] <pacopablo> indexes for the repository
[08:46:57] <AlexTrofast> Yeah it does
[08:47:03] <pacopablo> that's where it shows its ugly head
[08:47:16] <AlexTrofast> Hmm
[08:47:31] <pacopablo> the key for node_change is rev,path,change_type
[08:47:44] <pacopablo> depending on the layout of your repos, path can get very long
[08:48:20] <AlexTrofast> Well the way I have it set up:
[08:48:32] <pacopablo> my guess is that with 2k in length, and not using 3 bytes per char, that you may be alright for all but the most extreme cases
[08:48:47] <AlexTrofast> rev, path and change type are each 650 bytes long
[08:48:59] <AlexTrofast> I dunno, paths longer than 600 character?
[08:49:01] <pacopablo> that's not going to work for path
[08:49:16] <AlexTrofast> Hmm
[08:49:44] <AlexTrofast> Well the index that is created can't have fields bigger than a total of 2k
[08:49:48] <pacopablo> granted, for a lot of people it will, but some repos have a bunch of subdirs
[08:49:51] <AlexTrofast> Since there are three you've gotta split it
[08:50:22] <pacopablo> you can shrink the rev, as I don't know of any VC that uses 650 chars for the rev
[08:51:01] <pacopablo> and then you may be able to look at the VC and see what values change_type can have, because I'm pretty sure none of them are 650 long
[08:51:16] <AlexTrofast> Alright, that would work then
[08:53:53] <AlexTrofast> Thanks for the help
[08:54:17] <pacopablo> np
[08:54:22] <pacopablo> hope it goes well
[08:54:38] <pacopablo> the more DBs the better
[09:02:19] <aat> paco: you've sold me on postgres, it's awesome
[09:02:49] <pacopablo> I know ;)
[09:03:44] <aat> is there an easier way to connect to a schema than modifying the search_path?
[09:03:49] <aat> that is kind of tedious
[09:04:12] <pacopablo> well, you can specify the schema directly: schema.tablename
[09:04:42] <pacopablo> I just find it easier to modify search_path if I'm going to be working with a bunch of the tables in a given schema
[09:04:43] <aat> i mean from the command line...psql <database>
[09:04:59] <pacopablo> not really
[09:05:08] <aat> bummer
[09:06:23] <pacopablo> you could create a few files that run the search_path, and then when you log in you can say: \i file
[09:06:44] <aat> ah
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[09:22:54] <vlopes> hey
[09:23:37] <vlopes> is there any way to use templates for pdf export?
[09:23:45] <vlopes> I apreciate any help :)
[09:23:55] <coderanger> Page2Pdf plugin
[09:24:08] <vlopes> I already configured the pagetopdfplugin
[09:24:11] <vlopes> hmm
[09:24:25] <vlopes> I didint found any documentation that covered it :(
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[09:46:34] <coderanger> vlopes: What documentation could you need?
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[09:47:09] <vlopes> one who describe how to work with pagetopdf templates
[09:47:20] <coderanger> What do you mean by "templates"
[09:47:25] <vlopes> or just something near that
[09:47:38] <coderanger> It just renders the wiki text of the page to HTML, and the converts that to a PDF
[09:47:50] <vlopes> I mean, like 'custom format on printing'
[09:48:02] <vlopes> yeah, but I would like to render the page in another pattern
[09:48:14] <vlopes> with another header, for example
[09:48:15] <coderanger> You mean like a media="print" stylesheet?
[09:48:19] <vlopes> yeah
[09:48:32] <coderanger> Nothing I know of will do that
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[09:48:37] <vlopes> :(
[09:48:52] <coderanger> But you can do the same thing with CombineWiki if you are tricky
[09:49:04] <coderanger> (and change the source a bit)
[09:49:19] <vlopes> hmm I'll take a look at that one :D
[09:49:21] <vlopes> thanks
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[09:52:12] <domluc> coderanger_: Can you give me a little help with TracHome?
[09:52:36] <coderanger> Depends on the problem
[09:52:43] <domluc> it's basic
[09:52:50] <domluc> the plugin works fine
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[09:53:05] <domluc> but home.css
[09:53:08] <domluc> is not loaded
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[09:54:10] <domluc> coderanger_: sounds like chrome/home/ doesn't exists
[09:54:42] <domluc> coderanger_: some idea?
[09:54:49] <coderanger> domluc: Are you running in develop mode from a subversion checkout, if not, you should be
[09:55:14] <domluc> no
[09:55:26] <domluc> coderanger_: I checkout trac from svn
[09:55:41] <domluc> coderanger_: and install via python setup.py
[09:55:54] <coderanger> Yeah, the data paths in setup.py are incorrect
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[09:56:09] <coderanger> You can either fix them, or run in develop mode
[09:56:44] <asmodai> coderanger: http://images.fok.nl/upload/070807_41127_Jade2.jpg Jade Raymond (Ubisoft)
[09:56:50] <domluc> coderanger_: sorry, you told the setup.py of trachome
[09:56:56] <asmodai> coderanger: If the games industry will be more like that I'm switching professions!
[09:57:18] <coderanger> asmodai: :P
[09:57:35] <coderanger> domluc: Yes, file under "Not prepared for egg deployment yet"
[09:58:24] <domluc> coderanger_: hummm, ok
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[10:00:10] <domluc> coderanger_: package_data dic
[10:01:28] <coderanger> domluc: Yes
[10:02:05] <domluc> coderanger_: thx broda
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[10:10:16] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5832 (defect created): Cannot sync with svn <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5832>
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[11:10:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5833 (defect created): Image Macro Failure - Image Name with Spaces Attached to External Wiki <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5833>
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[11:40:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5829 (defect closed): seg-fault on initenv with postgres8.2.4/psycopg2.0.5.1 on ubuntu feisty <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5829#comment:3>
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[11:52:20] <robataka> has anybody got tracslimtimer plugin installed?
[11:52:30] <robataka> i get an error on the build
[11:54:21] <SIGFPE> coderanger: Having some trouble with the PrivateTicketsPlugin... doesn't seem to work, happen to be around?
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[12:00:35] <domluc> someone can help me with xref branch?
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[12:21:25] <coderanger_> SIGFPE: I am now
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[12:25:55] <kriswallsmith> can anyone help me install trac on mac 10.4 server using mac/darwinports?
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[12:28:48] <SIGFPE> coderanger_: ah, excellent thanks.
[12:29:27] <SIGFPE> coderanger_: My problem is namely that it appears to just kick me in the face with "you need TICKET_VIEW" when the authenticated group has TICKET_VIEW_REPORTER and the reporter is the same as the logged on user...
[12:29:44] <SIGFPE> I am using the openid plugin though, so maybe that has some sort of effect?
[12:30:09] <coderanger_> Shouldn't
[12:32:52] <SIGFPE> I don't know what other information you might need... it's trac 0.10.4 running on solaris.
[12:33:07] <coderanger_> First off is it loaded
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[12:33:30] <SIGFPE> trac-admin /path/ permissions list shows the extra permissions, so I assume so...
[12:33:34] <SIGFPE> is there a better way to check?
[12:33:35] <coderanger_> hrmm
[12:35:51] <sadmac> Will Track ever respond to a POST with 400 Bad Request if there is something about the data being sent that it personally doesn't like?
[12:36:26] <sadmac> As opposed to that error only being thrown strictly when the HTTP protocol has been violated.
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[12:36:43] <sadmac> s/(Trac)k/\1/
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[12:36:57] <coderanger_> sadmac: Grep the source for HTTPBadRequest
[12:37:19] <sadmac> coderanger: good idea
[12:37:37] <stevenbrown> what's the simplest way to write an abbreviation in Trac Wiki syntax?
[12:37:54] <coderanger_> stevenbrown: The abbreviations plugin
[12:38:14] <stevenbrown> coderanger_: and if that's not enabled? :)
[12:38:33] <coderanger_> stevenbrown: HTML
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[12:39:54] <stevenbrown> coderanger_: {{{ #!html <abbr title="my expansion">ma</abbr> }}} ?
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[12:41:07] <coderanger_> stevenbrown: With a few more newlines
[12:42:23] <medwards> so I'm just looking over trac-hacks right now but maybe someone can point me in the right direction. I've setup trac and linked it in to my svn repo. However, when creating a new ticket I would like to be able to set the 'version' for the ticket to be an existing revision in the repository... how can Id o this without manually adding versions via trac-admin (tedious, slow, and prone to human laziness)
[12:42:55] <coderanger_> medwards: There is a script on trac-hacks to generate a new version when you make a tag
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[12:43:40] <medwards> Sweet. Thats pretty close to what I want... Can it also go more fine-grained? (ie new versions for every revision)
[12:43:56] <medwards> oooo a git plugin
[12:44:10] <coderanger_> medwards: No, I would use a free text field for that
[12:44:21] <medwards> ok
[12:44:45] <medwards> do you remember the name of the version-from-tag generator?
[12:45:59] <coderanger_> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SvnPostCommitCreateVersionScript
[12:46:10] <coderanger_> Fairly descriptive name ;-)
[12:46:11] <medwards> danke
[12:46:21] <medwards> now to go read all the tabs I opened up while browsing trac-hacks
[12:46:36] <medwards> yeah, but there is along list and my eyes prolly blurred at a bad time..
[12:47:05] <medwards> also I got distracted by the GringottsPlugin >.>
[12:50:27] <coderanger_> My officemates have been bugging me to read #7
[12:50:59] <coderanger_> Its actually sitting on the table in an attempt to tempt me
[12:51:04] <SIGFPE> coderanger_: not to bug you further, but any suggestions? :-\
[12:51:57] <coderanger_> SIGFPE: I would try without the openid plugin
[12:52:41] <coderanger_> Make a test env or something
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