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August 09, 2007

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[00:55:08] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5843 (defect created): feature request: svn blame <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5843>
[01:00:27] <asmodai> aat: so anyway
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[01:17:23] <asmodai> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-html5/?ca=dgr-lnxw01NewHTML
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[01:55:33] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5843 (defect closed): feature request: svn blame <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5843#comment:1>
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[02:03:51] <__doc__> moin. could I have tickets/wiki entries be invisible depending on the group a reporter is in?
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[02:25:16] <womble> __doc__: I think there's a plugin on trac-hacks that allows tickets to be hidden.
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[03:56:20] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5844 (defect created): Error occurred posting items <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5844>
[04:10:09] <aat> evening
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[04:24:12] <mattl> hey - does trac support monitoring an email inbox and making new tickets based on new emails?
[04:27:05] <aat> look for the email2trac script on trac-hacks.org
[04:31:33] <mattl> okay, thanks :)
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[05:19:40] <prologic> coderanger, ping
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[05:23:50] <BleSS> I'm using trunk version and when I create a project, it shows:
[05:23:54] <BleSS> Can't extract file(s) to egg cache
[05:24:12] <BleSS> [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/admin/user/.python-eggs'
[05:25:26] <BleSS> I run *sudo -u www-data trac-admin /src/trac/foo initenv*
[05:25:56] <BleSS> so www-data user cann't write on my home
[05:26:49] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5845 (defect created): trac requires SVN rw access to update setting page <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5845> || Ticket #5843 (enhancement closed): feature request: svn blame <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5843#comment:1> || Ticket #5843 (enhancement created): feature request: svn blame <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5843>
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[06:15:05] <bpat1182> coderanger_, you around?
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[06:23:38] <mick_work> i'm trying to have trac behind a reverse proxy - are there any issues with doing this?
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[06:38:48] <bpat1434> coderanger: where do I install a theme to?
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[06:51:30] <bpat1434> anyone good with themes on Trac?
[06:51:41] <aat> bless: you need a writeable egg cache. this is documented in the trac installation guide
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[06:55:38] <bpat1434> aat: you know anythinga bout the ThemeEngine plugin?
[06:57:23] <BleSS> aat: ok, thanks
[07:01:36] <aat> bpat1434: unfortunately not
[07:01:44] <bpat1434> ah junk
[07:01:55] <bpat1434> trying to get a theme working on there.
[07:10:56] <coderanger> bpat1434: Anywhere you want, they are just plugins
[07:11:25] <bpat1434> okay, but as a test I went and put your CrystalX theme up there. and it doesn't find it
[07:12:46] <coderanger> @wiki TracPlugins
[07:12:46] <evil_twin> coderanger: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPlugins
[07:13:46] <bpat1434> okay....
[07:14:19] <bpat1434> but... with 0.11, I had to remove the "webAdmin" module to get the log to shut up about incompatability
[07:14:43] <bpat1434> and ThemeEngine requires webAdmin, and themes require ThemeEngine....
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[07:27:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5797 (defect reopened): Expanding dirs in browser spin forever on error <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5797#comment:3> || Ticket #5846 (defect created): expanding browser source tree, empty root folder <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5846>
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[07:30:33] <rfrenz> Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to enable/disable certain ticket fields based on user?
[07:31:04] <rfrenz> for example, a user submitting a ticket shouldn't be able to assign the ticket
[07:31:45] <bpat1434> forget it... I'm sticking with Trac default template until an easier way to implement templates is done in 0.11.
[07:36:10] <rfrenz> never mind, found SimpleTicketPlugin
[07:46:47] <bpat1434> How do you add "groups" of users to Trac in 0.11?
[07:47:06] <bpat1434> Like I want a group called "developers" and in it I want to put a bunch of users, who will all have the same permissions
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[07:52:59] <rfrenz> anyone using SimpleTicketPlugin?
[07:53:45] <bpat1434> nvm, found htgroups plugin
[07:55:10] <retracile> bpat1434: you just add a "developer" user, and give that as a permission to other accounts; no plugin required
[07:55:38] <bpat1434> really?
[07:55:56] <retracile> bpat1434: yep
[07:56:18] <retracile> bpat1434: so you give 'developer' a set of permissions
[07:56:26] <bpat1434> so, the password can be anything as it's a "null" user?
[07:56:28] <retracile> bpat1434: then you give other users 'developer' as a permission
[07:56:45] <retracile> bpat1434: you don't actually have to create an account/password for it
[07:56:52] <retracile> bpat1434: just add permissions to id
[07:56:54] <retracile> s/id/it/
[07:57:08] <bpat1434> ah, okay
[07:57:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: WikiPageName edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiPageName> || WikiPageName edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiPageName> || SandBox edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox>
[07:58:28] <rfrenz> where does trac-admin get its list of available permissions?
[07:58:36] <pacopablo> from plugins
[07:58:41] <rfrenz> SimpleTicket is supposed to add an available permission
[07:58:43] <pacopablo> or rather from Componenets
[07:58:46] <rfrenz> TICKET_CREATE_SIMPLE
[07:58:59] <rfrenz> but it's not showing up in trac-admin
[07:59:10] <pacopablo> if you don't see it, then it's most likely that the plugin isn't loading properly
[08:01:41] <bpat1434> ah, thanks retracile!!
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[08:03:27] <rfrenz> any hints on how to debug that?
[08:03:36] <rfrenz> apache log looks fine
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[08:04:34] <pacopablo> take a look at the trac log and make sure it shows the plugin being loaded
[08:04:36] <pacopablo> @faq logging
[08:04:37] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[08:06:07] <rfrenz> thanks, I had log_type = none
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[08:27:59] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5847 (defect created): bug in the backend <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5847>
[08:29:07] <pacopablo> oh, yummy, that ticket is great
[08:32:58] <BrianHV> never before have I seen a ticket with such detail
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[09:03:20] <mick_work> i'm trying to setup a reverse proxy to make trac accessible to the outside
[09:03:36] <mick_work> i can get the main page, but everything else doesn't work
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[09:04:04] <mick_work> if i change the urls -- i just get 404 errors
[09:04:10] <mick_work> (given by trac)
[09:04:25] <mick_work> example: No handler matched request to /cpe/login
[09:09:44] <coderanger> You would need to say how you are actually doing the proxy
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[09:17:28] <mick_work> coderanger: sorry - http://apache.pastebin.ca/651205
[09:17:52] <mick_work> ProxyHTMLURLMap <--- i can't figure out this part
[09:18:09] <mick_work> Invalid command 'ProxyHTMLURLMap', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
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[09:18:33] <mick_work> i actually get the page, but the links are screwed up (when i fix the links by hand - i get 404 errors)
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[09:22:58] <cheezycrust> is it possible to rename the "components" field to something else? only in the interface of course, not in the database
[09:27:58] <cheezycrust> i have checked the documentation, but maybe too fast, and may have missed it. my apologies in that case for disturbing
[09:28:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: ticket_admin.png attached to TracPermissions <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracPermissions/ticket_admin.png> || permissions.png attached to TracPermissions <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracPermissions/permissions.png> || TracReports edited by noamtm@gmail.com <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracReports>
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[09:35:01] <Tartaros> hello
[09:35:39] <Tartaros> I ran into Trac when looking for a bug tracker... There is one thing I dont understand from the docs - how does Trac serve http?
[09:35:58] <Tartaros> several times there is "if you use apache then ...", so what do I use when I do not use apache?
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[09:39:55] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall#RunningTraconaWebServer
[09:40:02] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall#RunningTraconaWebServer
[09:40:05] <cmlenz> oops
[09:40:09] <cmlenz> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall#RunningtheStandaloneServer
[09:40:30] <pacopablo> @faq nginx
[09:40:31] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "nginx" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracNginxRecipe
[09:40:38] <pacopablo> yummy ;)
[09:42:49] <Tartaros> so with tracd I don't ned Apache installed, right? isn't it somehow used to speak to subversion?
[09:42:59] <pacopablo> can be
[09:43:09] <pacopablo> you need to use apache or svnserver
[09:43:12] <pacopablo> er, svnserve
[09:43:17] <pacopablo> which comes with subversions
[09:43:30] <pacopablo> just ignore my inability to type or spell
[09:43:43] <pacopablo> do you already have subversion configured?
[09:43:56] <Tartaros> yeah. On my server machine I have svnserve running.
[09:44:25] <pacopablo> trac doesn't do anything with checkout access to subversion
[09:44:37] <pacopablo> it only presents a read only view of the repos
[09:44:42] <Tartaros> cool
[09:44:47] <pacopablo> and for that it needs direct access to the repos
[09:44:57] <pacopablo> not via apache nor svnserve
[09:45:33] <Tartaros> ok that is no problem
[09:45:45] <Tartaros> so, another thing, about the tickets
[09:47:01] <Tartaros> Are tickets always public? What I'm concerned about is this - the trac would be accessible for egneral public, people could write in bug reports. But the bug reports may be insecure to be looked at by public (when it's about something exploitable etc.)
[09:47:25] <Tartaros> So the question is, does the system somehow enable hiding tickets and/or their "details" part?
[09:47:42] <Tartaros> hiding for non-admin users that is.
[09:47:50] <pacopablo> not really
[09:48:16] <pacopablo> you could give anonymous TICKET_CREATE permissions, but not TICKET_VIEW permissions
[09:48:29] <pacopablo> that should allow them to create tickets but not view them
[09:48:47] <Tartaros> so there's nothing like TICKET_VIEWDETAILS ...
[09:48:49] <Tartaros> ?
[09:48:50] <pacopablo> however, there isn't really a way to hide selective tickets or parts of a ticket
[09:49:12] <pacopablo> nope.
[09:49:13] <Tartaros> hm. Would that be hard to add?
[09:49:21] <pacopablo> could possibly be done via a plugin
[09:49:40] <pacopablo> could use a post-request filter to strip out the details
[09:50:03] <pacopablo> adding another permission is simple
[09:50:25] <pacopablo> do you know python?
[09:50:36] <Tartaros> yeah let's say I'd want to hide the details of all defect tickets
[09:50:58] <Tartaros> yes, I even hacked together a few little programs myself :)
[09:51:07] <Tartaros> nothing big but I can manage yes.
[09:51:19] <pacopablo> well, basically, you'd create a plugin that implements the post request filter.
[09:51:40] <pacopablo> in the filter, you'd check to see what resource was requested (ticket, wiki, etc)
[09:51:55] <pacopablo> if it's a ticket, you'd check the HDF for the ticket type
[09:52:45] <pacopablo> if it's "defect" you delete the parts of the HDF that hold the ticket comments
[09:52:52] <pacopablo> this is for 0.10.x that is
[09:53:09] <pacopablo> 0.11 is slighly different as it uses genshi, but the basic idea is the same
[09:53:12] <Tartaros> is the 0.11 a lot didfferent?
[09:53:38] <Tartaros> hmm well I don't know wither system for starters so it's not much difference for me I guess ;)
[09:53:47] <Tartaros> either*
[09:54:03] <pacopablo> different templating engine, so completely different method for accessing the template data
[09:54:17] <pacopablo> but yeah, if you're starting from scratch, you may want to check out 0.11
[09:54:26] <pacopablo> as genshi is nice, and clearsilver is being dropped
[09:54:40] <Tartaros> yeah that was my next question about the version to start with
[09:54:42] <Tartaros> so 0.11 it is.
[09:54:53] <pacopablo> note, 0.11 hasn't been relased yet
[09:55:11] <pacopablo> so if you have an issue with running development code, you'll want to stick with 0.10.4
[09:55:30] <pacopablo> for the most part, trunk is stable, but it is dev coed, so you can expect a few bumps
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[09:56:44] <Tartaros> umm whats a "bump"? sry I'm not native english speaker...
[09:57:01] <pacopablo> something that might not work properly
[09:57:12] <pacopablo> it's still under active development
[09:57:28] <pacopablo> you can check the outstanding bugs for 0.11 to get an idea of the issues that might arise
[09:57:52] <Tartaros> btw. the web page of Trac itself is served by what version? :)
[09:58:31] <pacopablo> 0.10.4
[09:58:36] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5848 (defect created): Can't attach patch file to the ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5848>
[09:58:46] <pacopablo> though I know others run trunk in production
[09:59:08] <Tartaros> ok
[09:59:31] <Tartaros> well all in all the whle thing looks cute :)
[09:59:45] <Tartaros> bug tracker with wiki and subversion - what more could I wish :)
[09:59:57] <pacopablo> it's awesome!
[10:01:12] <Tartaros> and it's python so I could even hack it myself, as opposed to various other perl/php/otheruglylanguage bug tracker systems.
[10:01:35] <pacopablo> yeah, it's actually pretty nice to hack
[10:01:48] <pacopablo> and you can extend it easily via plugins
[10:02:08] <pacopablo> the plugin architechture is very nice
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[10:04:30] <Tartaros> so now all I need is to persuade certain people about it :)
[10:04:46] <Tartaros> ok thanks for the help, I may pop in later again, cya :)
[10:04:52] <pacopablo> later
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[10:44:19] <Afrohealer> is ther an easy way to setup trac .. with ACL's .. eg. (i;m working on Projects A & B, i want only authenticated members of project A to see stuff related to Project A, and not be able to to even know that project B exist. )
[10:44:33] <Afrohealer> adn vice versa ..
[10:44:54] <coderanger_> How are you setting them up
[10:45:11] <coderanger_> Two different envs vs. one env with two components
[10:45:20] <Afrohealer> I have not setup trac yet .. I;m researchign bug tracing software to implement for my company ..
[10:45:36] <coderanger_> Ahh, well the better question is do they share a single repo
[10:45:41] <coderanger_> Or is two different SVN repos
[10:46:01] <Afrohealer> We are gonna be working on multiple projects .. for differnet companies..
[10:46:15] <coderanger_> Do you have a policy about SVN layout though
[10:46:29] <Afrohealer> We initialy are not gonan be useing SVn ..
[10:46:30] <pacopablo> Afrohealer: just use two different trac sites with two different repos
[10:47:00] <coderanger_> Yeah, you can use the tracforge project index to do permissions checks if you need to be really secretive
[10:47:22] <Afrohealer> We might have say 10 differnet companies .. we are suporting .. some of the companies might have multiple projects ..
[10:47:51] <coderanger_> Afrohealer: Its very hard to do this as a pure hypothetical
[10:48:13] <coderanger_> The answer is yes, you can do it, but depending on the specifics it requires varying amount of hilarity
[10:48:33] <coderanger_> For intra-project secrecy, there are the PrivateTickets and HideVals plugins
[10:48:43] <coderanger_> (made explicitly for that scenario)
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[10:50:29] <bpat1434> Anyone good with the CustomFieldAdmin Plugin and 0.11?
[10:51:03] <Afrohealer> coderanger: thanks .. I just wanted to know if its somethign that Trac suports .. and is not to convoluted to setup ..
[10:51:34] <Afrohealer> Since i;m most likely gona be the one administrating it.. :)
[10:51:45] <coderanger_> Afrohealer: The basics are simple, but like I said it will get more convoluted as your business rules get more complex. Not sure if there is a way around that.
[10:51:55] <Afrohealer> i understnad that..
[10:52:11] <Afrohealer> Righ tnow. we are passign aorudn excell sheets. adn in some cases emails..
[10:52:17] <Afrohealer> So anythign wil be better .. LOl
[10:52:31] <coderanger_> Heh, I can assure it will be better than that at the very least
[10:52:53] <Afrohealer> but i;m thinkign longterm . so wana make sure i pick somethign that wil grow with us
[10:53:33] <Afrohealer> I'm also looking at bugzilla .. which was a sugestion of one of my supervisors ..
[10:54:11] <coderanger_> Afrohealer: Despite my opinion being clearly biased, I think Bugzilla is one of th most hideous pieces of software ever made
[10:54:19] <coderanger_> The UI alone is enough to drive one to madness
[10:54:48] <Afrohealer> Bugzilla .. was not looking good to me .. even before i discovered trac
[10:55:38] <coderanger_> Afrohealer: Other tracker systems you can gander at: flypaper, jira, roundup, fogbugz
[10:56:10] <Afrohealer> coderanger; i'm pretty sure ther eare lots of projects that can give bugzilla a run for its money based on jideousnes LOL
[10:59:03] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5849 (task created): trac-admin /project upgrade fails - "no such column: kind" <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5849>
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[11:29:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5850 (enhancement created): Search Results Per Page Variable <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5850>
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[11:39:41] <effthis> i have 2 separate wikis: an ancient copy of twiki, and a current copy of instiki. any suggestions on getting the data massaged into trac?
[11:40:53] <effthis> i see that trac-admin has a wiki import command, but it's not clear what sort of input it might be expecting other than a trac-compatible file. the only import script i found on the trac site was for mediawiki.
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[11:48:29] <SIGFPE> If I wanted trac to go ahead and keep an IP address on each ticket... (it's for a system where folks are submitting tickets against certain servers, I need to keep track of which server they're discussing) does anyone know of a plugin I can use to do this? Or can anyone let me know which extension point I should look at first?
[11:49:08] <SIGFPE> As much as it would be cool to have each IP available as a seperate component or some madness like that, we have several class Bs, so that's not an option.
[11:51:40] <retracile> SIGFPE: add a custom field for people to enter IPs
[11:52:28] <retracile> effthis: the wiki import takes Trac-style wiki text only; no conversion is done there. I'd suggest looking at the mediawiki import script as a starting point.
[11:52:36] <SIGFPE> retracile: I assume writing a plugin with trac.ticket.api.ITicketChangeListener is the easiest path for that? Or is there an easier way to do it?
[11:53:18] <retracile> http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTicketsCustomFields
[11:53:29] <effthis> thanks retracile. i'm looking into going from twiki to mediawiki, then from mediawiki to trac.
[11:53:41] <effthis> (since scripts for both of these operations seem to exist already)
[11:54:06] <SIGFPE> retracile: Oh, awesome, thanks.
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[11:59:25] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5851 (defect created): Error when replacing an existing attachment to a ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5851>
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[12:33:52] <retracile> Hrmm...
[12:36:44] <retracile> ... I'm not getting the list of plugins on in the admin page... and I'm not seeing an indication of why; they're loading and are functional...
[12:37:09] <retracile> maybe something to do with installing the plugins as rpms system wide instead of as eggs?
[12:38:22] <retracile> ... on the other hand, it does show trac itself...
[12:38:47] <retracile> oh, wait... the plugins are listed under Trac.
[12:39:10] <retracile> That's different from what it was, isn't it?
[12:45:17] <Afrohealer> anyone knowof a trac demo site running the latest version . hosted-projects.com is running an older version
[12:49:31] <adj> i do not want to allow any anon access to my trac page. if i remove all the perms for anonymous though, i get left with a nasty Forbidden WIKI_VIEW privs required message browsing to the trac page
[12:49:54] <adj> is there a more elegant way to handle that front page?
[12:50:43] <retracile> adj: I think there's a plugin on trac-hacks... but I'm not certain.
[12:53:34] <retracile> Afrohealer: Not off the top of my head. Shouldn't be hard to setup a simple system for yourself though.
[12:54:00] <Afrohealer> k .. will do .
[12:56:25] <adj> retracile: well. i couldnt find it. but i just made the trac parent path location require ldap auth also. so you cant even get to the trac page before logging in ;)
[12:56:52] <adj> trac+dav_svn_ldap is so terrifc im at a loss for words
[12:57:24] <retracile> adj: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/AuthRequiredPlugin
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[12:58:10] <adj> "If you aren't using AccountManager, you could simply password protect trac's base URI to present a standard auth dialog."
[12:58:21] <adj> hehe. they are one step ahead of me ;)
[12:58:33] <adj> thanks for the link
[12:58:45] <retracile> np
[12:59:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5853 (enhancement created): roadmap pour le ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5853> || Ticket #5852 (enhancement created): roadmap pour le ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5852>
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[13:29:52] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5852 (enhancement closed): roadmap pour le ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5852#comment:1> || Ticket #5853 (enhancement closed): roadmap pour le ticket <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5853#comment:1>
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[13:30:36] <demio> hey guys, whats the best way to setup track - fastcgi or mod_python?
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[13:31:23] <retracile> demio: I use mod_python
[13:31:40] <demio> ok
[13:31:51] <demio> what's the way that consumes less resources
[13:32:10] <retracile> demio: Dunno; haven't looked into it.
[13:32:34] <retracile> pacopablo, coderanger, or aat could probably give more insight than I can.
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[13:33:45] <coderanger_> demio: There is much heresay, no numbers that I've seen
[13:34:43] <demio> what's the best way - add a vhost to apache, or use a new port and lighttpd
[13:34:52] <coderanger_> demio: FCGI is rumored to be leaner, but I think thats more influenced by your choice of apache vs. lighty
[13:35:04] <coderanger_> demio: There is no best
[13:35:09] <coderanger_> demio: Pick one that works for you
[13:35:35] <demio> I'll go with another port + lighttpd. Apache is managed by DirectAdmin. I don't want to mess around with DA
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[14:07:41] <pacopablo> @faq nginx
[14:07:42] <evil_twin> pacopablo: "nginx" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracNginxRecipe
[14:07:50] <pacopablo> the best
[14:08:00] <pacopablo> (with no numbers to back that up, of course)
[14:08:03] <retracile> heh... figured you'd pipe up on that. ;)
[14:08:22] <pacopablo> well, I can't help it if I run it with the best setup ;)
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