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August 16, 2007

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[01:00:28] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5884 (enhancement closed): visual diff for ticket field changes <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5884#comment:1> || Ticket #5884 (enhancement created): visual diff for ticket field changes <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5884>
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[02:19:58] <aat> i concur
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[02:42:58] <DrFrasierCrane> I can't log out from my Trac :-) I click logout and I'm still logged in
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[02:48:59] <asmodai> Even when you press f5/ctrl-f5?
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[02:50:01] <DrFrasierCrane> asmodai, I just realized that I set up basic auth for whole Trac url not /trac/login :)
[02:50:14] <DrFrasierCrane> maybe that's why
[02:52:33] <DrFrasierCrane> yup
[02:52:35] <DrFrasierCrane> it works now
[02:53:33] <DrFrasierCrane> hmm
[02:53:46] <DrFrasierCrane> can I allow users to register to file tickets ?
[02:53:50] <DrFrasierCrane> like in Bugzilla
[02:55:17] <asmodai> yes, there's ways for that
[02:55:24] <asmodai> haven't done them myself, so cannot comment much on it
[02:55:30] <asmodai> but I've used instances like that
[02:55:50] <DrFrasierCrane> I see that I can grant TICKET_CRATE to anonymous users
[02:55:50] <asmodai> So either it is a standard option for configuration or a minor plugin
[02:56:00] <DrFrasierCrane> but that's not cool
[02:56:00] <asmodai> And also revoke ;)
[02:56:38] <DrFrasierCrane> one more question - "Powered by Trac 0.11dev-r5927"
[02:56:51] <DrFrasierCrane> is it easy to upgrade dev version to new revision?
[02:56:56] <DrFrasierCrane> or then to release version?
[02:58:34] <asmodai> In general I need like 5 mins to upgrade.
[03:00:54] <DrFrasierCrane> yes, but I mean is it possible that SVN update will break something?
[03:00:58] <DrFrasierCrane> in the current installation
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[03:27:49] <asmodai> Given you're tracking -dev the possibility always exists.
[03:28:40] <DrFrasierCrane> yep I realize that :-)
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[03:31:52] <asmodai> In general
[03:31:57] <asmodai> haven't had much problems
[03:33:22] <DrFrasierCrane> ok, thanks
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[04:17:55] <junkafarian> hi
[04:18:17] <junkafarian> im looking for a time-sheet-esque plugin for tickets
[04:18:24] <junkafarian> i cant find one on trac-hacks
[04:18:41] <junkafarian> not sure if im searching for the right thing though :P
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[04:25:18] <junkafarian> ah, TimingAndEstimationPlugin looks like the one
[04:25:24] <junkafarian> nm, thanks
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[04:53:24] <erikand> I'm interested in the master ticket functionality
[04:53:56] <erikand> what's the big difference with the master ticket features beeing developed and the masterticket plugin?
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[04:57:51] <Enqlave> rehi
[04:58:55] <Enqlave> any way to use host.domain/$PROJECT instead of host.domain/trac/$PROJECT via fastcgi @ lighttpd?
[04:59:25] <mOolight> single or multiple trac project?
[04:59:31] <Enqlave> multiple
[04:59:34] <Enqlave> hi, mOolight
[04:59:44] <mOolight> yeah, there's a problem
[04:59:53] <Enqlave> ah..
[05:00:03] <Enqlave> so it's not possible?
[05:00:12] <mOolight> no unless 1.5
[05:00:21] <mOolight> i'm not sure why and what cause it
[05:02:04] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5781 (enhancement closed): trac-0.11 new ticket uses a lot of space ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5781#comment:4>
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[05:46:59] <thatch> Enqlave: yes, that's possible with some hackery in Trac to work around the lighttpd bug, see http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2418
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[05:47:59] <Enqlave> uh, thatch. thank you so much :)
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[06:02:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5886 (task closed): page is creash <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5886#comment:1> || Ticket #5886 (task created): page is creash <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5886>
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[06:09:44] <slingintacos> morning all!
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[06:32:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5887 (defect created): trac.cgi doesn't fully honor htdocs_location <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5887>
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[07:02:14] <cabrilo> hello all... how should I go about localizing trac? I'd like to translate the interface
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[07:06:57] <retracile> cabrilo: There are some efforts on that underway; I'm sure your help would be appreciated. Most of that discussion that I have seen has been on the mailing lists.
[07:08:13] <nick_fn> Hiya. I'm surprised not to find a 'email ticket reminders from cron' script. There is http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TicketRemindScript , is that what is generally used?
[07:09:26] <nick_fn> no, that seems to send all the reminders to a fixed person
[07:11:01] <retracile> nick_fn: Most people seem to find nightly emails to be annoying. Nevertheless, I wound up implementing a short script to do it... it isn't difficult.
[07:11:27] <retracile> nick_fn: (It will also tend to have "quirks" specific to your organization.)
[07:11:32] <nick_fn> retracile: yeah, but I thought I'd see if it was already done somewhere. they *are* annoying, but that's slightly the point ;-)
[07:11:40] <retracile> Heh. :)
[07:12:12] <retracile> The problem was that they were annoying enough that people filtered them to a folder... which they then ignored.
[07:12:29] <nick_fn> hehe, yes :-)
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[07:13:01] <retracile> ... at which point I wonder if there was a point to the nightly email in the first place. Keep the computer from getting too bored?
[07:13:36] <nick_fn> well, we found them handy a while back to remind about 'new' tickets that need moving to 'assigned', and also I'd hack it to only complain about tickets that haven't been modified in a few weeks
[07:15:26] <retracile> Yeah, that would probably work better. Here it was "email a list of your tickets every night".
[07:16:05] <nick_fn> RSS would be better for that, IMHO
[07:17:21] <cabrilo> retracile, ah, thank you. I will sign up to the ML promptly
[07:18:31] <retracile> cabrilo: (There are 2 MLs; trac-users and trac-dev. I don't remember which list has had more translation discussions.)_
[07:19:01] <cabrilo> retracile, I'll search about
[07:19:03] <retracile> nick_fn: agreed.
[07:22:04] <thatch> mornin'
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[07:22:56] <nick_fn> thatch: I got my 'this ticket is blocked by' column in the report working BTW. I hacked report.py and report.cs
[07:23:56] <thatch> great!
[07:24:17] <retracile> mornin', thatch :)
[07:24:30] <thatch> howdy retracile
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[07:26:46] <retracile> eblot's errors on #5497 have me puzzled. :(
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[07:29:36] <thatch> retracile: I'll look at it some more. So the issue is the functional tests seem to fail for him while if you hit the page yourself it looks fine?
[07:29:43] <ethanm> probably a stupid question here... trying to change the background color in a wiki page for a large block of text, and i can't find any info on that.... %:black,gray: looked like it should work, but it doesn't.
[07:30:55] <thatch> ethanm: hmm, how about an html block with <div style="background: gray"> paired with a </div> later
[07:30:57] <retracile> thatch: Not only that, but he ran updated tests that dump the html that twill was looking at... and the form is right there in the html!
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[07:31:33] <thatch> retracile: up to date on twill, I assume?
[07:31:53] <retracile> According to the traceback, I think he's running the same version I am.
[07:32:12] <ethanm> thatch: that didn't work either, maybe we have HTML disabled
[07:32:51] <thatch> retracile: you've seen a traceback on into twill?
[07:32:59] <ethanm> cause it's printing it as text
[07:33:19] <thatch> ethanm: highlighted text or plain text
[07:33:29] <retracile> thatch: he posted output to http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5497
[07:33:31] <ethanm> plain, but it includes a list
[07:34:09] <thatch> retracile: ah, one of the early tickets
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[07:34:13] <thatch> I mean comments
[07:34:30] <thatch> ethanm: what do you mean "includes a list", what exactly are you putting in and what does it produce
[07:35:09] <ethanm> Tag 1.3.5
[07:35:09] <ethanm> * updated feature A
[07:35:09] <ethanm> * updated feature B
[07:35:09] <ethanm> </div>
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[07:35:22] <ethanm> (with <div style="background-color: gray"> at the top)
[07:36:25] <ethanm> it prints the <'s and >'s as &lt and &rt
[07:36:35] <ethanm> err &rt = &gt
[07:36:48] <thatch> are you using a {{{\n#!html\n<div...>\n}}} block?
[07:39:14] <ethanm> thatch: ... no i wasn't :) thank you
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[07:55:51] <slingintacos> coderanger: how do you change the default number of bears in your dropbears plugin?
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[07:59:52] <thatch> slingintacos: surely you kid
[08:00:07] <thatch> slingintacos: you probably have to edit the source, I don't recall it being user-configurable
[08:02:33] <slingintacos> thatch: the last revision says it's configurable, the default number is set to zero, but i couldn't find where to change it
[08:03:29] <slingintacos> it's not really important i guess, I was just wondering
[08:03:40] <thatch> slingintacos: it's probably a trac.ini setting, look for Option within the .py files for the section and key name
[08:03:49] <slingintacos> cool thx
[08:09:04] <slingintacos> so i find default_dropbears = IntOption(...
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[08:10:08] <retracile> slingintacos: what's the rest of that line?
[08:10:40] <slingintacos> default_dropbears = IntOption('dropbears', 'default', default=0,
[08:10:40] <slingintacos> doc='The number of dropbears to show by default.')
[08:11:23] <retracile> so [dropbears] default = 3
[08:11:53] <slingintacos> awesome,
[08:13:03] <slingintacos> so, IntOption is a way to put settings in the trac.ini file?
[08:13:31] <retracile> pretty much
[08:15:16] <slingintacos> lulz, dropbears :)
[08:16:08] <pacopablo> morning
[08:19:01] <retracile> hey paco :)
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[08:25:50] <thatch> retracile: I'm building a fresh OSX machine to test the goofy twill issue
[08:26:04] <retracile> thatch: Excellent :)
[08:26:21] <retracile> thatch: throwing buildbot on it while you're at it? (hint, hint)
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[08:27:14] <thatch> retracile: yes, it'll be Python 2.3 with the latest swig,svn,sqlite
[08:27:26] <retracile> thatch: coool :)
[08:28:31] <pacopablo> http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/community/trunk/x86%20Gentoo%20trunk
[08:28:36] <pacopablo> http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/community/trunk/
[08:29:41] <pacopablo> I'm also going to try to setup a dedicated buildbot just for trac, also
[08:30:16] <retracile> pacopablo: great! :) sandbox/testing would be a good candidate in addition to trunk
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[08:30:33] <pacopablo> that is sandbox/testing
[08:30:46] <pacopablo> except that it didn't actually get to the testing trac part
[08:31:00] <pacopablo> pybots build python and then does the tests on the newly built python
[08:31:12] <pacopablo> it failed some python tests
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[08:33:28] <pacopablo> ppybots.org
[08:33:33] <pacopablo> er, just pybots.org
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[08:35:42] <retracile> Hm... is the config visible somewhere?
[08:36:44] <aat> evening
[08:36:58] <retracile> howdy alec :)
[08:37:02] <thatch> yo
[08:37:12] <aat> what's up folks
[08:37:30] <retracile> aat: testing, that's what. Come, join us.
[08:37:33] <retracile> ;)
[08:37:58] <thatch> aat: same as yesterday. retracile is still testing, and I'm still trying to rope people into commenting on wiki blames
[08:40:51] <thatch> the power went out rather spectacularly where I work too
[08:41:08] <retracile> that sounds fun... :)
[08:41:13] <thatch> we heard server room A/C units spin down
[08:41:23] <thatch> it was a definte "oh no." moment
[08:42:41] <aat> thatch: ooh, exciting :)
[08:42:54] <aat> "exciting" rather
[08:44:11] <aat> retracile: that sounds disturbingly like an invitation to the dark side
[08:44:43] <retracile> aat: Well, probably because it IS. ;) Come, join us. }:>
[08:45:27] <retracile> thatch: given the temps this week, I'd expect to be able to /feel/ the server room temperature rise
[08:46:57] <aat> thatch: where's the wiki blame ticket?
[08:47:30] <thatch> http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5821
[08:53:09] <nick_fn> I'd quite like a 'blame' in the source browser, to annotate a particular source file. Wonder if there is a ticket about that already, I should go look
[08:54:36] <retracile> nick_fn: even better... it's implemented in 0.11dev.
[08:54:42] <nick_fn> ah, wonderful
[08:54:56] <nick_fn> I've missing having that quite a lot
[08:55:40] <thatch> nick_fn: the version in 0.11 works for svn, hg, and bzr backends :)
[08:57:10] <nick_fn> I look forward to trying it
[08:58:02] <aat> thatch: is that blame view being highlighted with pygments?
[08:58:55] <aat> thatch: some way to navigate through the page history would be good i think
[08:59:44] <aat> and it'd be nice if the version links had title="author + comment" or similar
[08:59:51] <aat> which are all minor nits really
[08:59:58] <aat> the rendering is fast
[09:00:03] <aat> looks good too
[09:00:24] <thatch> aat: yes the source is highlighted with Pygments, I got a trac/moin lexer added about 6mo ago when I was first on an annotate kick
[09:00:59] <aat> very nice
[09:01:18] <thatch> aat: the source blame stuff lets you click and see the changeset which I can't ever quite figure out (I only do it accidentally)
[09:01:39] <thatch> I didn't port that part over to wikis, but can definitely twiddle with the titles
[09:03:08] <thatch> you say "navigate", like a prev/next link up top, or something like "re-annotate before this rev" in the left column?
[09:04:01] <aat> prev/next links, but maintaining the annotation view
[09:04:58] <aat> also, i'd ditch the other links like "start page", "index", etc. similar to how it works when you're browsing the page history
[09:05:17] <pacopablo> retracile: config for the buildmaster, or the buildslaves?
[09:07:43] <thatch> pacopablo: both, likely
[09:08:31] <thatch> aat: thanks for the comments. can you go ahead and add those to the ticket so we don't lose them?
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[09:08:58] <aat> surely
[09:10:08] <pacopablo> I don't have the configuration for the buildmaster, but the instructions I followed for the build slave is: http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/2006/08/setting-up-pybots-buildslave.html
[09:11:43] <slingintacos> in my trac.ini file, [header_logo] src = common/trac_banner.png
[09:11:57] <slingintacos> but i can't find a dir called common on my machine
[09:12:48] <slingintacos> the image works however, so i'm not sure where it's pulling the image from
[09:13:01] <thatch> slingintacos: try /usr/share/trac/htdocs ?
[09:13:14] <thatch> slingintacos: or 'locate trac_banner.png', I'm not sure how you have things installed
[09:14:04] <slingintacos> when i locate it, it's in 6 different places
[09:14:37] <slingintacos> also, when i upgraded to 0.11, the instructions suggested i delete /usr/share/trac/htdocs
[09:14:44] <slingintacos> so that's not there anymore
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[09:15:15] <slingintacos> if i slocate common/trac_banner.png , it returns nothing
[09:18:19] <liamMT> hiya - is there a setting somewhere that sets the tab spacing in the browser/code view portions of Trac? my tabs come out in HUGE spaces when viewing code in the browser...it'd be nice to shrink it down a bit...
[09:21:02] <retracile> @wiki TracIni
[09:21:02] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni
[09:21:21] <retracile> tab_width
[09:21:33] <slingintacos> can i just put the image in the htdocs folder of my trac project?
[09:21:35] <retracile> liamMT: Look at those
[09:21:48] <liamMT> retracile: thanks!
[09:22:00] <slingintacos> if so, what would be the path? /home/tracproject/htdocs/image.jpg doesn't work
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[09:22:54] <ok-computer> coderanger: hey man - i decided to take a different approach than vodoo
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[09:33:17] <slingintacos> it's site/image.jpg
[09:33:25] <slingintacos> didn't read far enough
[09:38:48] <ok-computer> has anyone here had an issue with tracforge, where you are unable to do an HTTP Post w/in client projects?
[09:38:56] <ok-computer> i'm on 0.10
[09:39:07] <ok-computer> i've tried a few work arounds, nothing is really working
[09:56:22] <pacopablo> retracile: you testing documentation is wrong ;)
[09:57:00] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/sandbox/testing/TESTING-README#L5
[09:57:11] <pacopablo> there is no test.py in the tests directory
[09:57:30] <pacopablo> should it just be the test.py file in the trac dir?
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[10:04:04] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5888 (defect created): effbot.python-hosting.com/file/pil/ gives: ('Attempted to get length of a *non*-file node', 160017) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5888>
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[10:10:22] <trevarthan> Hello. My Trac doesn't show ticket comments in the timeline. And we have ticket comment emails turned off. Is there any way to see these comments via RSS or a web page?
[10:15:24] <slingintacos> does anyone have a link that gives good instructions for editing the stylesheet?
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[10:16:17] <analfabeta> hi
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[10:16:40] <analfabeta> if i have many svn projects, what i need do with trac ?
[10:16:49] <analfabeta> one for each project?
[10:17:08] <ok-computer> depends on where you point the repository
[10:17:19] <ok-computer> are there many svn projects in different repositories or in just one?
[10:17:39] <analfabeta> are many users, each with more than one project
[10:18:03] <ok-computer> best practice... one trac per project
[10:18:11] <ok-computer> and each trac project points to the project root in svn
[10:18:28] <ok-computer> if you have shared code, well, those should be their own projects, and they should be distributed as jars or a library or something
[10:19:12] <analfabeta> but, if each user have a svn repository, they need also one trac
[10:19:24] <analfabeta> so, if i got 100 users, i need install 100 tracs ?
[10:19:29] <ok-computer> no
[10:19:34] <ok-computer> i would suggest some reorganization
[10:19:49] <ok-computer> the whole purpose for svn is to have many people working on the same repository
[10:20:02] <ok-computer> so one svn for one project, for 100 users
[10:20:13] <ok-computer> or if you want have 100 branches (eek) but its still part of the same svn project
[10:20:28] <analfabeta> no, but all users have diferents projects
[10:20:33] <analfabeta> none repeat
[10:21:04] <ok-computer> oh ok
[10:21:19] <Getty> you need for any svn a trac
[10:21:28] <Getty> dont get other sense otherwise
[10:21:31] <ok-computer> it should be looked at from the project perspective and not the user perspective
[10:21:41] <analfabeta> oh, understand.
[10:21:42] <ok-computer> if you have 100 projects, then have 100 tracs
[10:21:54] <ok-computer> or if you can relate them, they could be less
[10:21:54] <Getty> cause its a PROJECT management
[10:21:59] <ok-computer> but its for logical organization
[10:22:07] <ok-computer> so people can find what they need faster
[10:22:18] <Getty> but hey, in your case, drop the link to the svn
[10:22:25] <Getty> if you have anyway no deal about the svn
[10:22:38] <Getty> i mean if you work in a company where everybody works on own projects, you dont need any management
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[10:22:40] <Getty> totally bullshit ;)
[10:22:58] <Getty> probably your problem is that you splitted the real project into several svns then you got a problem of course
[10:23:00] <analfabeta> is a university
[10:23:05] <Getty> so?
[10:23:06] <evil_twin> It has been said that so is there any particular reason to go with the main branch or the simple branch, Getty
[10:23:28] <Getty> in regular way you make svn+trac at start directly
[10:23:30] <analfabeta> some disciplines use svn and i think in trac...
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[10:23:37] <Getty> whatever
[10:23:41] <Getty> its one way
[10:23:51] <Getty> i dont see the discussion here ;) what do you want?
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[10:24:01] <analfabeta> Getty: know what do =)
[10:25:44] <Getty> so you came in here to ask nothing? ;)
[10:25:58] <ok-computer> Getty - are you a trac pro?
[10:26:10] <ok-computer> cuz if so, i could run a question by you - haven't found much out there on
[10:26:12] <Getty> trac noob
[10:26:18] <Getty> i just use it
[10:26:19] <ok-computer> oh k, cool
[10:26:21] <ok-computer> gotcha
[10:26:21] <Getty> but that for a long time now
[10:26:31] <Getty> but dont do very much myself, i have people doing that for me ;)
[10:26:37] <retracile> pacopablo: oops.
[10:26:40] <analfabeta> no, i wanna know what do in my case
[10:26:45] <analfabeta> but, thanks
[10:26:54] <retracile> pacopablo: fix committed
[10:29:22] <ok-computer> analfabeta:
[10:29:39] <ok-computer> analfabeta: in your case, are you sure you really need trac? who are gonna be the users, just one developer on each instance?
[10:29:57] <analfabeta> ok-computer: not necessarily
[10:30:13] <ok-computer> analfabeta: what kind of organization are you running? what kind of projects?
[10:30:21] <analfabeta> ok-computer: maybe many users, but each user have a project, sharing or not with others
[10:30:46] <ok-computer> if I were you, i would have 1 trac instance per project
[10:30:50] <ok-computer> how is your subversion set up?
[10:31:01] <ok-computer> is it /projects/project 1 /projects/project 2
[10:31:06] <ok-computer> or /project1 /project2
[10:31:35] <analfabeta> /projects/proj1 /projects/proj2 . . .
[10:32:04] <ok-computer> so you can keep your svn the same
[10:32:18] <ok-computer> and just point your trac for project1 to /projects/proj1
[10:32:34] <ok-computer> trac for project2 to /projects/proj2
[10:32:38] <ok-computer> give user logins for everyone
[10:32:44] <ok-computer> and where they need to collaborate on svn
[10:33:47] <analfabeta> hmhmm
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[10:34:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5930]: Testing: doc fix <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5930> || Ticket #5888 (defect closed): effbot.python-hosting.com/file/pil/ gives: ('Attempted to get length of a *non*-file node', 160017) <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5888#comment:1>
[10:38:20] <coderanger> aat: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/CamelCaseaaIntegration
[10:38:27] <coderanger> aat: Got another moron
[10:39:51] <slingintacos> if i put something like <p>test</p> in my site_header.cs file, then restart apache, i should see 'test' on any page above the content right?
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