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August 17, 2007

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[08:46:33] <mawe> hi all. i've set up trac 0.10.3-1 with tracd running behind lighttpd. this is a completely closed project, so i require a http auth for every page via lighttp.
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[08:47:10] <mawe> that works fine, login to trac is passed along. but users only get logged in if they explicitly click on the "login" link
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[08:47:52] <mawe> is there a way to force users to login (i.e. see the login page), so that the http auth credentials stored for their session are immediately used for trac login on their first request?
[08:51:16] <mawe> or maybe a simpler question: how do i set up trac so that clients immediately get redirected to /login if they are not logged in already?
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[09:01:00] <osimons> aat: you there? i'm trying to add a patch to TH ticket # 1075 (your xmlrpc plugin), but for some reason it gets rejected as spam - (Maximum number of external links per post exceeded, Content contained blacklisted patterns)
[09:02:34] <aat> osimons: mmm ok
[09:02:41] <aat> pastebin the contents?
[09:03:48] <aat> nm
[09:03:50] <aat> found it
[09:03:59] <osimons> no need to paste?
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[09:04:23] <aat> no
[09:04:24] <osimons> it is a large patch - it is a cumulative 11-2 version updated to use genshi
[09:04:44] <aat> mmm, unfortunate...it's the xmlns URL's being detected as external links
[09:04:58] <osimons> figured it was that
[09:05:08] <aat> and then you hit a regex filter as well for some reason
[09:05:33] <aat> i'll find what the pattern is
[09:06:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5932]: Remove debug logging leftover from r5912. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5932>
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[09:07:35] <aat> aha
[09:07:59] <aat> okay, try now
[09:08:25] <gour> hi, is 0.11 release counts in weeks or months?
[09:08:40] <cmlenz> eras
[09:09:08] <osimons> aat: goodie. it's in.
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[09:10:22] <osimons> aat: hopefully a good starting point for a 0.11 branch of the plugin?
[09:11:07] <asmodai> wth
[09:11:15] <aat> aah, eeeeeeexcellent. thanks :)
[09:11:19] <asmodai> going from cherrypy 3.0.1 to 3.0.2 and my web app suchs
[09:11:21] <aat> hey asmodai
[09:11:23] <asmodai> sucks/dies
[09:12:05] * asmodai does a Routes update
[09:12:08] <asmodai> aat: howdy dude
[09:12:12] <asmodai> crap
[09:12:17] <asmodai> TypeError: 'WSGIEnvProxy' object is unsubscriptable
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[09:33:08] <coderanger> I am victorious! Installing a printer on OSX should not be this hard.
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[09:36:56] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: 0.11/TracInstall edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.11/TracInstall>
[09:44:30] <asmodai> coderanger: :0
[09:44:32] <asmodai> :D
[09:45:12] * coderanger looks forward to his $200 check for Apple
[09:45:14] <coderanger> er, from
[09:47:36] <cmlenz> heh
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[10:03:34] <asmodai> coderanger: why? :)
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[10:27:27] <prologic> coderanger, I could not solve that problem I had
[10:27:30] <prologic> gave up and went home :/
[10:30:02] * asmodai weeps over his company website
[10:30:07] <asmodai> so much shit to fix...
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[10:41:54] <rca> to get rid of the 'Unsupported version control system "svn"' error on debian etch, what path should i point at from /usr/lib/python-2.4/site-packages?
[10:42:11] <rca> the debian package for the python subversion bindings seems to smear the files all over the filesystem
[10:44:00] <rca> when running the interactive interpreter, i can import svn just fine, it only doesn't work with e.g. trac-admin or the trac source browser etc.
[10:44:43] <prologic> haha
[10:44:47] <prologic> I had this error today too
[10:44:53] <prologic> but a kind of messed up system
[10:45:12] <prologic> I think you'll find it complains if the repository_path is invalid
[10:45:17] <prologic> check that (was my error today)
[10:48:25] <rca> duh! you're right :)
[10:48:27] <rca> wow, thanks
[10:48:32] <rca> that was seriously unexpected
[10:48:52] <rca> i would've expected "no such file or directory when trying to access repository" as an error or something
[10:52:54] <prologic> yes
[10:52:56] <prologic> so would I
[10:52:58] <prologic> but yeah well
[10:53:03] <prologic> file a bug report for me will ya :)
[10:53:19] <prologic> becuase that _is_ a bug ihmo, since there is no ImportError with this
[10:53:23] <prologic> but a file path error
[10:53:32] <prologic> and it's incorrectly displayed as such on the cli
[10:53:52] <prologic> and assuming 0.11 haven't changed this much, it's a current bug
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[11:15:52] <rca> yeah, exactly
[11:16:11] <rca> i'll try to see if i can find out what exactly triggers it
[11:16:15] <rca> might be just a misplaced if
[11:18:39] <prologic> that'd be great
[11:18:41] <prologic> then file a bug :)
[11:27:54] <cmlenz> it's pretty convoluted, actually
[11:28:27] <prologic> heh
[11:28:29] <prologic> well there ya go :/
[11:29:16] <cmlenz> there's some logic that basically disables any components under trac.versioncontrol.* if the repos path is not set
[11:29:43] <cmlenz> with the intent to hide the repos browser stuff if no repos is configured
[11:30:11] <cmlenz> but that means that the SubversionConnector is disabled, and thus the repository type "svn" is not known
[11:30:38] <cmlenz> I'd be all for just removing that magic, and making people disable the versioncontrol package explicitly if they don't want it
[11:33:27] <prologic> +1 on that
[11:33:37] <prologic> becuase otherwise this so-called "magic" just makes it harder for sys-admins
[11:33:44] <prologic> especially when it's not making sense
[11:33:52] <prologic> and you find the answer the hard way
[11:34:10] <prologic> becuase the error doesn't make sense and doesn't match with expected tests to verify the error
[11:35:14] <rca> oh yeah, you can say that again
[11:35:41] <rca> tried to figure out what on earth could be wrong with the python subversion bindings for over an hour
[11:36:18] <rca> especially confusing because the "unsupported version control system" error shows up in the TracFaq etc. as a more or less known issue, with the bindings being the ones to blame most of the time
[11:36:29] <prologic> yeah
[11:36:30] <prologic> same here
[11:36:48] <prologic> *nods*
[11:37:45] <asmodai> People using nested tables without knowing which element can be included in which ought to be shot
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[12:06:29] <cmlenz> has anyone done an admin panel for managing custom ticket fields yet?
[12:09:05] <prologic> yes I believe so
[12:09:12] <prologic> I remember seeing one on TH
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[14:06:51] <slingintacos> morning guys
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[14:19:44] <asmodai> *sniff*
[14:19:47] <asmodai> so beautiful
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[14:40:28] <slingintacos> hey guys, i'm trying to downgrade from 0.11 to 10.4, i deleted the 0.11 egg, then installed 10.4 and restarted apache, but i get a 500 error that says (database newer than trac version)
[14:42:11] <slingintacos> what else do i need to do?
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[14:44:35] <dbmarquardt> does anybody know how to color just a column in the Trac reports?
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[14:44:41] <emen> hi
[14:45:35] <emen> I use Trac...but I was wondering if anyone could recommend a small, mobile (ie, no database) app that would let me keep track of issues. I don't care if it's just some executable that writes everything to a text file, as long as I can customize the fields that it shows.
[14:45:50] <emen> just something to keep on my USB key for my persona lnotes
[14:48:51] <semi_> I use devtodo. it has a tree structure of todo items and 5 different priorities, but it is just great for my personal todo-stuff
[14:49:15] <semi_> its a command line program that stores data in xml file
[14:50:13] * asmodai grins
[14:50:19] <asmodai> and aat here is the author :)
[14:50:48] <semi_> of devtodo? cool
[14:51:04] <semi_> heh, so it seems, after /whois :P
[14:51:43] <asmodai> Only found out myself recently ;)
[14:51:51] <asmodai> we've been thinking of rewriting it in Python or so
[14:51:57] <semi_> I've used it for ages
[14:52:22] <dbmarquardt> Hi everybody, I use Trac and I'm coloring the lines by priority. But it's coloring the entire line. I would like to color just the priority column. Does anybody know how to do that?
[14:52:28] <semi_> but my todolist is so long that I'd love a curses gui
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[14:53:03] <asmodai> semi_: *nod* that was my issue as well back then
[14:55:17] <asmodai> aat: *poke*
[14:55:25] <semi_> and if I edit my list a lot, the numbering changes so I have to print the list between edits
[14:55:43] <semi_> otherwise I end up editing wrong number
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[15:06:23] <slingintacos> anyone ever downgraded from 0.11 to 10.4?
[15:09:20] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5891 (enhancement created): Is there a way to color just a columns instead the entire line in the Trac reports? <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5891> || Changeset [5935]: Testing: remove unused PIPE <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5935> || Changeset [5934]: Testing: use compat for 2.3 <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5934>
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[15:24:05] <BrianHV> on the same trac instance with apparently identical custom queries, my coworker has a column that I don't. what might lead to this behavior?
[15:24:44] <BrianHV> on 0.10.4
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[15:39:12] <milk-it> Is possible attach a document in wiki?
[15:39:31] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SandBox edited by tester <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SandBox>
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[16:03:09] <DrFrasierCrane> folks, I need advice
[16:03:24] <DrFrasierCrane> I have an open-source project and I set up Trac lately
[16:03:44] <DrFrasierCrane> I want submitting bugs to be as easy as possible for the users
[16:04:07] <DrFrasierCrane> but on the other hand I'm not sure if allowing TICKET_CREATE to anonymous is the way to go
[16:04:12] <DrFrasierCrane> what is the common practice?
[16:06:39] <semi_> allowing anyone to create tickets is the way to go
[16:06:51] <semi_> you are just making a simple thing complex
[16:07:31] <retracile> milk-it: yes
[16:07:34] <semi_> you could have them register first, if you think you must
[16:07:46] <semi_> there is a plugin for that
[16:08:39] <retracile> DrFrasierCrane: t.e.o allows anonymous to create tickets, etc. If you go that route you'll need the spam plugin(s) from trac-hacks
[16:09:25] <DrFrasierCrane> ok
[16:09:26] <retracile> ... and spammers do seem to be aware of Trac specifically, so there will be overhead in dealing with them
[16:09:37] <DrFrasierCrane> uh
[16:10:22] <retracile> DrFrasierCrane: So it boils down to: anonymous has access + spammer headaches OR user register headaches
[16:10:27] <milk-it> retracile, Is attachment:the_file.txt, but how to add the file?
[16:11:25] <DrFrasierCrane> retracile, ok thanks, I don't expect some large number of visits/bug reporters, it's a small project, but I'm sure spammers will put their dirty hands on everything :(
[16:11:55] <retracile> DrFrasierCrane: then registration may be the way you want to go.
[16:12:33] <retracile> milk-it: The [Attach file] button at the bottom of the page
[16:12:47] <DrFrasierCrane> retracile, I think I'll allow anonymous and see what happens. or maybe browse other Trac installations to see how people are handling that
[16:13:13] <retracile> @wiki BadContent
[16:13:14] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/BadContent
[16:13:14] <milk-it> retracile, Ohhhhh hahahahaha
[16:13:26] <milk-it> retracile, thanks! :D
[16:13:33] <retracile> milk-it: :)
[16:13:48] <retracile> DrFrasierCrane: that wiki link may give you some insight.
[16:14:03] <DrFrasierCrane> cool, thanks again
[16:15:15] <otaku42> or, in case you run on apache2 and are willing to add another dependency (mod_security), you could try scallywhack which gives spammers hard and users near-to-none headaches
[16:15:49] <otaku42> (that last line was meant for DrFrasierCrane)
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[16:17:31] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, yes, I'm running apache2 and I probably don't mind another module :-) I'll check that out, thank you
[16:17:55] <otaku42> DrFrasierCrane: http://scallywhack.otaku42.de
[16:18:42] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, I'm running 0.11-dev, is it going to work?
[16:19:14] <otaku42> DrFrasierCrane: i think it will
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[16:21:53] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, ok, I browsed through the wiki of this project, looks nice, I'll give it a try over the weekend probably
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[16:27:51] <otaku42> DrFrasierCrane: if you run into any troubles, i'm available weekdays between 9am and 5pm UTC+2
[16:28:18] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, cool, I'll give you a shout then
[16:28:40] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, to be honest I never thought of this form of defense - at the server level
[16:29:15] <DrFrasierCrane> otaku42, nice idea in general, and definitely better than application-level defense where it's "every man for himself" on hosting servers :)
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[16:29:31] <otaku42> DrFrasierCrane: i had this idea back in the days when madwifi.org was still running on trac 0.9.x, for which the spamfilter plugin is not available
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[17:10:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: DatabaseBackend edited by anonymous <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/DatabaseBackend>
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[17:44:40] <bessarabov> hi! just a small questin. We're using trac system only for storing instructions in wiki format, but there is one thing that i don't know, how to fix. When there is som attachement on the page, the information about that attachement is also printed. Is there any possobility to change css to make the info about the page attachement not visible?
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[17:59:54] <dgynn> bessarabov: you could use css to hide the attachments, but then you wouldn't have a link to get to them
[18:00:32] <dgynn> which would be OK if you put your own links in the page or included the images with the image macro
[18:00:44] <dgynn> but you wouldn't have a link to the page to delete it
[18:01:01] <dgynn> this css would work... #tkt-changes-hdr, .tkt-chg-list {display:none}
[18:01:51] <bessarabov> dgynn: hm - i want to make separate css: one for display and the other is for printing
[18:02:25] <bessarabov> display: none is the solution, but i don't know the structure of css files used in trac
[18:02:49] <bessarabov> maybe it's very sily question because i know how to check the stucture, actually =)
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[18:05:48] <dgynn> you also have the option of editing the wiki.cs template if you need to add an additional class or style to the html
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[18:40:30] <Thanatermesis> what is the better way to make the access at all a Trac website in "only users with a login"
[18:40:37] <Thanatermesis> account required for all*
[18:41:03] <coderanger> trac-admin permission remove anonymous '*'
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[18:45:17] <mikmak> hello
[18:45:41] <mikmak> I am trying to install the webadmin plugin (from svn) to trac 0.10.5 (from svn)
[18:46:00] <mikmak> it seems to load fine (says the debug log)
[18:46:04] <Thanatermesis> thx
[18:46:24] <mikmak> but when I try to get to /trac/admin debug log says : WARNING: 500 Internal Error (No admin pages available)
[18:46:33] <mikmak> although I am logged in with TRAC_ADMIN rights
[18:46:44] <mikmak> any idea where to look at ?
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[18:51:05] <Thanatermesis> mikmak, do you are using DreamHost hosting ?
[18:51:27] <mikmak> no, I host it myself
[18:51:33] <mikmak> with lighttpd
[18:51:38] <mikmak> through fastcgi
[18:53:36] <Thanatermesis> how i can disable the register on Trac ?
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[19:14:32] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited by nkantrowitz <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers>
[19:14:35] <Marenz> *setes
[19:14:40] <Marenz> *sites
[19:15:01] <Marenz> oh is there even a bot for trac ?
[19:15:40] <coderanger> Marenz: He is a supybot
[19:15:56] <Marenz> ah, ok
[19:16:06] <i_b01> hi there, i'm trying to install the trac-webadmin-plugin an it really won't work...
[19:16:06] <i_b01> i checked file-perm, and package-names - the log is telling something about packaging probs but i don't understand the log error
[19:16:07] <i_b01> - maybe someone have a small idea?
[19:16:07] <i_b01> Aug 17 20:10:29 tk01 Trac[__init__] DEBUG: Loading egg plugin webadmin.plugin from /projects/mk/plugins/TracWebAdmin-0.1.2-py2.4.egg
[19:16:07] <i_b01> Aug 17 20:10:29 tk01 Trac[__init__] ERROR: Failed to load plugin webadmin.plugin from /projects/mk/plugins/TracWebAdmin-0.1.2-py2.4.egg Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/trac/loader.py", line 101, in load_components entry_point.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 1830, in load entry = __import__(self.module_name, globals(),globals(), ['__name__']) ImportErro
[19:16:43] <retracile> i_b01: pastebin is preferred for tracebacks....
[19:16:47] <coderanger> Marenz: You still need to enable access to that directory (with a <Directory> block)
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[19:17:03] <coderanger> pacopablo: G'morn
[19:17:04] <retracile> hey paco; evil_twin on the new server?
[19:17:05] <Marenz> ah k
[19:17:09] <i_b01> retracile: sorry
[19:17:26] <DrFrasierCrane> is remote svn support planned for the near future?
[19:17:35] <pacopablo> retracile: yup, but not in its own vz yet
[19:17:45] <pacopablo> and I haven't disabled infobot quite yet
[19:17:49] <coderanger> Marenz: Apache does a authz check before getting to the actual request handler, so you need to pretend it is using the normal serving behavior for that
[19:17:56] <coderanger> DrFrasierCrane: No
[19:18:03] <DrFrasierCrane> ok
[19:18:12] <coderanger> DrFrasierCrane: Nor ever in all likelihood, its not really needed
[19:18:34] <coderanger> DrFrasierCrane: There is a plugin that implements it, but it has a lot of issues
[19:18:36] <Marenz> coderanger does it matter if i write the directory block infront of or after?
[19:18:46] <DrFrasierCrane> coderanger, hm it would be nice not to have to set up svn and use for example one from sourceforge
[19:18:53] <DrFrasierCrane> but it's ok
[19:19:03] <coderanger> Marenz: http://weston.coderanger.net/~coderanger/httpd/coderanger.net.conf
[19:19:22] <coderanger> DrFrasierCrane: You can use svnsync for mirror a remote repo
[19:20:03] <DrFrasierCrane> coderanger, ok I'll take a look at it, although I already set up svn, just asking out of curiosity, because it says in the guide that it's "not currently supported"
[19:20:14] <DrFrasierCrane> I mean there's a cliffhanger :)
[19:22:01] <coderanger> DrFrasierCrane: The performance issues are such that we would need to maintain a local cache of almost everything anyway
[19:22:03] <Marenz> coderanger why PythonOption TracEnv /srv/coderanger/tracs/main
[19:22:36] <coderanger> Marenz: Because I have a standard of putting envs at /srv/$SITE/tracs/$ENV
[19:22:37] <DrFrasierCrane> coderanger, yeah.. I understand, I was just curious :)
[19:22:51] <coderanger> where $ENV is "main" for the default project
[19:23:18] <Marenz> so /srv/coderanger/ would work too ?
[19:23:32] <coderanger> Marenz: If I put my envs there, but that would be dumb
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[19:24:10] <Uranellus> hello, is there a way to list added comments in the timeline?
[19:24:22] <Marenz> hmm a little confused now.. i created mine at /var/trac/azadi
[19:24:27] <coderanger> Uranellus: ticket_show_details in trac.ini
[19:24:33] <coderanger> Marenz: Thats fine
[19:24:36] <j00bar> howdy -- is there a list of when major interface changes happened? at what point did trac.env.Environment stop taking db_string and start taking options?
[19:24:41] <Uranellus> coderanger: thanks, I'll look at that
[19:24:44] <coderanger> Marenz: Just not FHS compliant ;-)
[19:24:56] <coderanger> j00bar: "Constantly"
[19:25:02] <Marenz> now, do i need to do PythonOption TracEnv /var/trac/azadi ?
[19:25:08] <coderanger> Marenz: Yes
[19:25:36] <Marenz> and /var/trac/azadi/htdocs need to be the directory block?
[19:25:38] <coderanger> j00bar: You should almost never use the environment object directly anyway
[19:25:56] <coderanger> Marenz: If you want that to be the DocRoot, sure
[19:26:09] <j00bar> coderanger: writing external code to interface with trac -- need to create an environment -- and i want it to support a range of versions
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[19:26:46] <Marenz> uhm.. no idea tbh.. i thought all the http packets are handled by the app server itself, so i wonder why there has to be a doc root anyway
[19:26:56] <coderanger> j00bar: You should either use the caching version in trac.web.main._open_environment, or trac.env.open_environment
[19:27:00] <Marenz> ..for trac..
[19:27:13] <coderanger> Marenz: Apache uses it internally
[19:27:15] <j00bar> coderanger: i was mostly following what trac/scripts/admin.py did...
[19:27:29] <coderanger> Marenz: For example, for the path authz check
[19:27:55] <coderanger> j00bar: From when? >0.8 should have been passing it a path.
[19:28:27] <j00bar> coderanger: open_environment() appears to work for already created environments. i need to create them.
[19:29:06] <coderanger> j00bar: I don't think there is a long-term compatible syntax for that
[19:29:32] <coderanger> j00bar: We don't support anything before 0.9, but from then until now the syntax should have been the same
[19:29:59] <j00bar> coderanger: and i'm okay tracking trac (hehe) but i was hoping there might be an easy reference for when interface changes might have occurred (e.g. django has a really well documented list)...
[19:30:08] <Marenz> hmm i put /var/trac in the directory block , now it still says /var/www/azmosdev not found..
[19:30:17] <j00bar> coderanger: i'm not planning on supporting older than what's in dapper drake
[19:30:31] <j00bar> which is 0.9.3
[19:30:32] <coderanger> j00bar: We document public changes quite well, but you are using an internal API ;-)
[19:30:34] <Uranellus> coderanger: worked! :) thanks alot :)
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[19:30:50] <coderanger> Marenz: Pastebin your vhost
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[19:31:30] <i_b01> hi there! i'm trying to install the trac-webadmin-plugin an it really won't work...
[19:31:30] <i_b01> i checked file-perm, and package-names - the log is telling something about packaging probs but i don't understand the log error. Maybe someone have a small idea?
[19:31:30] <i_b01> You will find the log here: http://ibot.pastebin.com/d13e5e3e5
[19:31:33] <j00bar> coderanger: okay -- i'll sift through changelogs. i assume something that major would be noted ;-)
[19:31:50] <Uranellus> coderanger: hm .. one more question related to that .. is there a way to have the option "Ticket details" checked by default?
[19:32:06] <coderanger> j00bar: If it is user facing, yes. If it is part of the Trac internals, probably not mentioned at all.
[19:32:18] <coderanger> Uranellus: Don't think so
[19:32:34] <j00bar> grumble. okay. then i'll use introspection.
[19:32:42] <Marenz> coderanger http://paste.debian.net/34865
[19:32:59] <Uranellus> coderanger: thanks anyway :)
[19:34:21] <coderanger> i_b01: Where did you get the code for webadmin from?
[19:34:46] <khundeen> I need to use python package that is not available in the global lib folder, how should i install it in userspace and able to use it?
[19:34:52] <i_b01> coderanger: its from the debian-package
[19:35:11] <i_b01> coderanger: sorry its the svn version
[19:35:16] <coderanger> i_b01: Sounds like they didn't package correctly, I would install it yourself
[19:35:32] <coderanger> i_b01: Okay, and h