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August 19, 2007

[00:02:47] <The_Tick> coderanger: http://trac.adiumx.com/milestone/zzzDuplicate%20tickets
[00:02:53] <The_Tick> we need a master-child plugin, heh
[00:03:11] <coderanger> The_Tick: MasterTickets exists ;-)
[00:03:21] <The_Tick> hah wtf
[00:03:31] <coderanger> you just need to be running 0.11 for it to not suck
[00:03:36] <The_Tick> ya well
[00:03:38] <The_Tick> we'll wait then
[00:03:51] <The_Tick> dammit, can't get this plugin to load either
[00:03:54] <coderanger> There is a 0.10 version, but its buggy as all getout
[00:04:00] <The_Tick> we'll wait, heh
[00:04:12] * The_Tick starts a new trac with plugins all built in
[00:04:20] <The_Tick> and buggy together :P
[00:04:47] <The_Tick> for some reason batch modify isn't loading, nothing in the log, it's got the right perms, setup in trac.ini
[00:05:05] <coderanger> Nothing as in you don't see it loading at all?
[00:05:12] <The_Tick> indeed
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[00:05:34] <coderanger> How did you install it?
[00:05:43] <The_Tick> python setup.py install
[00:06:00] <The_Tick> it built, said it was complete and all that
[00:06:23] <coderanger> This is on trac.a.c?
[00:06:28] <The_Tick> yea
[00:06:37] * coderanger investigates
[00:06:40] <The_Tick> lol
[00:06:47] <The_Tick> didn't mean to jihad your time :)
[00:07:11] <coderanger> Considering that all I'm doing at the moment is wiping out the world ...
[00:07:17] <The_Tick> ahh
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[00:07:22] <The_Tick> playing onslaught?
[00:07:26] <coderanger> civ4
[00:07:36] <The_Tick> I'm just waiting for bioshock
[00:07:44] <The_Tick> tuesday and I'm dead to the world
[00:10:43] <coderanger> Reasons you see nothing in the log, logging is off :)
[00:10:49] <The_Tick> hah, omg
[00:10:52] * The_Tick slaps head
[00:11:01] <The_Tick> I should not do this late at night
[00:12:25] <coderanger> There we go, batchmod.web_ui loading
[00:17:01] <coderanger> hrmm, curious
[00:18:10] <coderanger> aha
[00:18:14] <The_Tick> aha?
[00:18:29] <coderanger> You had put the enable line in the [attachments] section
[00:18:36] <The_Tick> ugh
[00:19:09] <coderanger> All set
[00:19:18] <The_Tick> wait..
[00:19:33] <The_Tick> hrmm, I don't think I did, maybe someone else went messing around
[00:19:36] <The_Tick> oh well, thanks :)
[00:19:42] <The_Tick> always good to have a second set of eyes on things
[00:19:50] <coderanger> especially at 3AM
[00:19:54] <The_Tick> indeed
[00:20:50] <coderanger> Back to plotting the death of the arabian empire
[00:21:01] <The_Tick> heh
[00:21:07] <The_Tick> ever played dota?
[00:21:39] <coderanger> nope
[00:21:49] <The_Tick> played wc3?
[00:22:02] <coderanger> I can only stand blizzard games in short doses
[00:22:18] <The_Tick> aye, agreed
[00:22:24] <The_Tick> however, this is a nice custom map
[00:22:38] <The_Tick> hit google for dota allstars
[00:22:51] <coderanger> I dislike the fact that clicks-per-second translates to success
[00:24:11] <coderanger> though I do like that the factions are distinct and yet insanely balanced
[00:24:52] <The_Tick> ya, this is interesting
[00:24:56] <The_Tick> you play a hero
[00:24:59] <The_Tick> and that's basically it
[00:25:16] <The_Tick> you start bottom left and try to go top right, opponent goes top right to bottom left
[00:25:24] <The_Tick> the way you win is not by clicks
[00:25:38] <The_Tick> but by the choices you make in the short span of the game
[00:25:41] <The_Tick> typically an hour
[00:26:29] <coderanger> interesting
[00:27:45] <The_Tick> it's a bunch of clicking, still wc3
[00:27:59] <The_Tick> but it's not totally about that
[00:28:09] <The_Tick> revived the game for me for about 6 months
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[02:33:21] <Thanatermesis> its enscript.py a valid enscript tool ? a script to install Trac has put it on ./lib/python2.3/site-packages/trac/mimeview/enscript.py
[02:33:53] <coderanger> That is the trac module to handle enscript for coloring ....
[02:35:22] <Thanatermesis> ok, i install enscript then
[02:40:15] <coderanger> enscript should only be used if you really have to
[02:40:29] <coderanger> silvercity is generally faster
[02:44:04] <Thanatermesis> but enscript supports a lot more of syntax, correct ?
[02:45:17] <coderanger> Not really
[02:45:32] <coderanger> Look at the syntaxcoloring page, it has an overview
[02:45:45] <coderanger> The install guide mentions all this btw
[02:46:17] <Thanatermesis> ok
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[03:44:29] <coderanger> Anyone know who ThunerRupert is?
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[04:20:02] <aat> nope
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[05:30:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5941]: Initial version for the fr_FR locale <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5941> || Changeset [5940]: Prepare the fr_FR locale <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5940>
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[06:51:43] <Thanatermesis> its the xml of RSS generated on the fly or saved in any file ?
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[06:55:27] <Thanatermesis> or any idea of how i can view the Trac from RSS since all the permissions is disabled for anonymous ?
[07:00:58] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [5942]: i18n: Minor fixes for the fr_FR locale <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/5942>
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[07:01:48] <retracile> Thanatermesis: you'll probably have to log in for the rss reader to be able to get the info. Alternatively, some RSS readers support authentication.
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[07:03:43] <Thanatermesis> im using netvibes.com and aparently no :/
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[07:51:36] <Thanatermesis> everybody has the option "delete report" in View Tickets section, how i disable it ? i dont want that anybody delete those options of view tickets by accident
[07:53:32] <thatch> Thanatermesis: are you sure 'everybody' has it?
[07:54:02] <thatch> What version of Trac are you using?
[07:54:16] <Thanatermesis> well, in the group developers yes, but i have disabled all REPORT_* permissions of that group (only REPORT_VIEW remains)
[07:54:51] <Thanatermesis> last one, 0.10.4
[07:58:19] <[psy]> trac is REALLY cool
[07:58:20] <[psy]> :D
[07:58:26] <[psy]> just what i need
[07:58:54] <Thanatermesis> [psy], yes, it is :)
[07:58:57] <[psy]> Thanatermesis i just gave timeline_view permissions to anonymous for the rss feeder
[07:59:00] <thatch> Thanatermesis: I don't see anything to that effect in the code... can you try shift-refreshing the page?
[07:59:21] <Thanatermesis> [psy], i have tried that, and the RSS is show... but without things on it lol
[07:59:31] <[psy]> oh
[07:59:32] <[psy]> weird
[07:59:35] <thatch> [psy]: yes that's a start, but without CHANGESET_VIEW it will be a rather boring rss feed
[07:59:39] <[psy]> i'm using Supybot with the RSS plugin
[08:00:08] <Thanatermesis> thatch, shift + F5 ?
[08:00:20] <Thanatermesis> mmh, let me try changeset_view...
[08:00:40] <thatch> Thanatermesis: yes, try shift+f5 (I don't know what browser you're using)
[08:01:14] <thatch> also note that CHANGESET_VIEW is further restricted by authz, if in effect
[08:02:53] <[psy]> ah thx for the info...i just added some more _VIEWs to anonymous :)
[08:07:02] <Thanatermesis> what is icalendar ?
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[08:10:20] <thatch> Thanatermesis: it's an app for OSX and also a file format that specifies events (you can load it into Sunbird on various platforms, and perhaps Google Calendar)
[08:14:40] <Thanatermesis> thatch, the "delete report" thing stills here
[08:15:28] <thatch> Thanatermesis: what permissions does your logged-in user have?
[08:17:12] <Thanatermesis> thatch, http://paste.debian.net/34956
[08:17:18] <Thanatermesis> the user is on the developer group
[08:17:34] <Thanatermesis> mmh, maybe is the first line the problem ?
[08:17:52] <thatch> Thanatermesis: still loading... I'm over GPRS
[08:18:06] <Thanatermesis> hehe :)
[08:18:41] <thatch> Thanatermesis: which one is your user?
[08:19:15] <Thanatermesis> roxville (who is trying it)
[08:19:22] <Thanatermesis> mmh, maybe roadmap_admin ?
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[08:19:33] <thatch> no, that shouldn't affect the report perms
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[08:20:05] <thatch> My first guess is still that it's a glitch due to a cached page... what web browser are you using?
[08:20:56] <thatch> If it's IE, open Tools->Options and choose 'Delete Files' under the cache area, close all browsers, and reopen to try again
[08:21:20] <Thanatermesis> ok, let me see from a new browser..
[08:22:37] <Thanatermesis> idk, i think that he's using firefox, but true, is a problem of cache, i don't have it here
[08:23:27] <thatch> Thanatermesis: line 28 shows that all devs have TRAC_ADMIN
[08:23:49] <thatch> can you try removing that and see if the button goes away?
[08:23:52] <Thanatermesis> btw about the RSS, i only see the changeset's on my RSS reader (svn), any idea of how i can view the tickets and wiki's modifications too ?
[08:23:55] <thatch> (I haven't used 0.10 for a while)
[08:24:13] <Thanatermesis> thatch, no, it works here sorry, its a problem of cache :)
[08:24:30] <thatch> Thanatermesis: TICKET_VIEW, WIKI_VIEW, etc affect the timeline showing items
[08:24:32] <Thanatermesis> i have logged with roxville on a new webbrowser and i dont see the Delete Report button
[08:24:41] <Thanatermesis> mmh, ok
[08:24:54] <thatch> the timeline doesn't show item that the users wouldn't be able to view awnyway
[08:25:29] <thatch> which sadly means that adding them to anonymous so they work in rss means that anyone will be able to see hte items themselves
[08:25:45] <thatch> the better fix would be get your rss reader to support authentication
[08:26:07] <thatch> (but Google Reader doesn't either, due to its caching mechanism)
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[08:28:10] <Thanatermesis> i use netvibes.com, and don't supports authentication too :/
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[08:48:53] <cramm> Hi people, i'm trying to reply to a e-mail message a nw Trac user sent to a LUG mailing list. She is asking for "a plugin" to change the pages appeareance
[08:49:51] <cramm> I don't use trac since a while back, should I tell her needs to customize the template and css, right?
[08:51:13] <cramm> nm, just found the relevant section of the trac guide
[08:52:42] <verm__> any trac developers arund? got a quick question before i file this ticket
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[09:07:17] <jpr_> looking for info on tracforge
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[09:25:28] <elb> session does not appear to be indexed by sid, but sids are unique in our table; would that help performance?
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[09:31:46] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5895 (defect created): Timezone setting lacks daylight savings and offset timezones. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5895>
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[09:37:49] <rinky_rj_07> What would cause trac/mod_python not to use the stylesheets?
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[10:32:14] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5895 (defect reopened): Timezone setting lacks daylight savings and offset timezones. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5895#comment:3> || Ticket #5895 (defect closed): Timezone setting lacks daylight savings and offset timezones. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5895#comment:2>
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[11:54:18] <devurandom> Hi!
[11:58:20] <devurandom> Is there a Wiki plugin to generate me a "you are here: ..." bar on top of every page? Eg. I am viewing wiki/Potter/Book1/Chap2 and it generates "Harry Potter - Harry Potter and the sorcerers stone - Chapter 2"? Assuming the title of wiki/Potter is "Harry Potter" wik/Potter/Book1 is "H..P.. and ..." and so on.
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[12:00:03] <gbw> hello, i want to ask if it is possible to add new components in ticket directly from the browser? like roadmap, we can add new roadmap
[12:00:48] <devurandom> 2nd question: Can I transfer attachments from one site to another?
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[12:02:13] <devurandom> s/site/wiki page/
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[12:12:01] <gbw> anyone?
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[12:14:36] <devurandom> gbw: You want to add new milestones from the browser?
[12:14:53] <gbw> devurandom, i want to add new components from the browser
[12:15:01] <gbw> components for tickets
[12:15:22] <devurandom> Ah, sorry, no diea...
[12:15:23] <devurandom> idea
[12:15:36] <gbw> devurandom, i dont know if this is possible
[12:15:54] <gbw> i cant find any rights for that in trac-admin permission
[12:18:28] <dgynn_> gbw: you can add components with webadmin
[12:18:45] <gbw> dgynn_, what is webadmin?
[12:18:57] <dgynn_> it is a plugin at trac-hacks.org
[12:21:47] <dgynn_> devurandom: for the you-are-here bar you could do something with the ShowPath macro from http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MacroBazaar
[12:22:09] <dgynn_> it isn't possible to move attachments between pages
[12:24:56] <devurandom> dgynn_: Can I hack that somehow?
[12:25:07] <devurandom> Or attach files which I already have on the server?
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[12:26:47] <dgynn_> you could hack it by updating the database and moving the file in the attachments folder
[12:27:52] <dgynn_> attachments are stored in your project's environment under attachments/wiki and then the page name
[12:28:18] <dgynn_> the attachments table in the database keeps a record of what's attached
[12:34:54] <devurandom> SELECT * FROM attachement; tells me there is no such table... (It's been a while since I last used SQL...)
[12:35:10] <devurandom> Oups, forget that, typo...
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[12:41:30] <DrFrasierCrane> hey, I'm using 0.11-dev and I wonder if there's some place where I can monitor current changes that land on trunk so that I know when it's worth to update my installation to the latest revision, something like dev blog or mailing list with changes posted weekly would be cool
[12:41:34] <DrFrasierCrane> does it exist?
[12:45:27] <dgynn_> DrFrasierCrane: there are google groups for users and devs
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[12:46:01] <dgynn_> and you could subscribe to the RSS feed for trunk at trac.edgewall.org
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[12:47:27] <DrFrasierCrane> ok thanks I'll check it out
[12:47:35] <coderanger> Also: here
[12:47:50] <DrFrasierCrane> btw is it relatively safe to just update installation to the latest rev ?
[12:48:02] <DrFrasierCrane> i know it's bleeding edge and everything can happen
[12:48:07] <DrFrasierCrane> but in practice
[12:48:50] <coderanger> Yes, trunk is generally stable for the most part
[12:49:06] <coderanger> if a big feature branch was just merged, you might want to wait a week or so though
[12:49:17] <coderanger> Also there is a testing branch being worked on
[12:49:37] <coderanger> between those functional tests, and our unit test suite, you can test a good deal of it
[12:49:52] <DrFrasierCrane> cool
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[13:03:07] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5895 (defect closed): Timezone setting lacks daylight savings and offset timezones. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5895#comment:4>
[13:04:18] <devurandom> When is 0.11 to be expected? Are you currently short in devs? Or is it just temporarily?
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[13:05:05] <coderanger> @faq rsn
[13:05:05] <evil_twin> coderanger: "rsn" is Real Soon Now (tm)
[13:06:44] <devurandom> So there is no specific reason for the "1 month late"?
[13:09:05] <DrFrasierCrane> what's t.e.o?
[13:09:05] <evil_twin> Somebody said t.e.o is hit by the same bot a few days ago, DrFrasierCrane
[13:09:42] <DrFrasierCrane> hm
[13:11:17] <verm__> wwtf someone closed it again
[13:11:24] <verm__> they didn't even read what i said.
[13:12:09] <verm__> is thurnerrupert in here?
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[13:33:13] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5895 (defect reopened): Timezone setting lacks daylight savings and offset timezones. <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5895#comment:5>
[13:37:11] <cmlenz> verm__: it might help if you provided an example of a datetime calculation that is wrong (and yeah, the ticket shouldn't have been closed)
[13:37:46] <verm__> cmlenz: hmm i figured any would work but i suppose you're right in that not every region has daylight savings time
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[13:38:43] <cmlenz> the thing is you say "daylight savings calculation is still broken" but don't provide any specifics
[13:38:59] <cmlenz> so anyone looking into the ticket will have to do the research
[13:39:21] <verm__> yeah sorry you're right, i figured "oh just set any DST timezone and you'll see it's wrong"
[13:39:26] <cmlenz> providing more concrete info goes a long way towards getting a ticket fixed
[13:39:29] <verm__> but that's certainly not helpful for those that aren't aware of one off-hand
[13:39:36] <verm__> yeah i know i wasn't thinking
[13:39:49] <verm__> it's not like i didn't provide the rest of the information :)
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[13:41:18] <cmlenz> I'm just saying I wouldn't know where to start looking :)
[13:41:32] <cmlenz> although it's probably obvious once the problem's staring you in the face
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[13:46:02] <nxsryan> hiiii
[13:49:58] <verm__> doh someone m odified
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[14:24:57] <elb> coderanger: would making the sid field of the session table an index help matters, do you think?
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[14:38:03] <jpr_> coderanger: some questions on tracforge?
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[15:03:44] <coderanger> jpr_: mhmm?
[15:06:54] <coderanger> verm__: I don't think anyone actually knows who he is. He sometimes just goes on these long ticket/wiki edit campaigns
[15:12:48] <jpr_> sorry dropped of a bit
[15:13:40] <jpr_> basically i'm curious about trying tracforge
[15:14:05] <jpr_> i've read over the docs, i assume the repo content works against the 0.10 release of trac
[15:14:46] <coderanger> Yes, and only that release
[15:14:52] <jpr_> ok.
[15:16:18] <jpr_> is there a short summary of the current state/direction. Is this headed for mainline support or still in a side project state
[15:18:11] <coderanger> Define "mainline support"
[15:18:31] <coderanger> We created the plugin architecture specifically to keep stuff like this out of core
[15:18:40] <jpr_> guess I'm just meaning wrt to the pending trac 0.11 release
[15:18:44] <jpr_> ok
[15:18:47] <jpr_> that's fine
[15:19:02] <coderanger> If core ever gets "multi-project support" it will be much simpler, probably just adding a project column on each table
[15:19:15] <jpr_> my implementation will be based on 0.10, so i'm not going to hop to 0.11 the second it comes out.
[15:19:32] <coderanger> As for if it will be ported to 0.11, yes, eventually. probably at the point that I actually need it
[15:19:41] <jpr_> ok
[15:20:21] <jpr_> wrt to the authn integration against sub projects...I'm assuming the default trac reliance on REMOTE_USER is unaffected by this.
[15:20:44] <jpr_> this == tracforge plugin use.
[15:21:35] <coderanger> Depends how you do things
[15:21:45] <coderanger> tracforge echos trac's modular philosophy
[15:21:59] <coderanger> The SSO module just slaves the client to whatever you are using for auth in the master
[15:22:21] <coderanger> as long as it adheres to the same cookie protocol as the default login module (like AccountManager does) it will work fine
[15:22:40] <jpr_> i currently use websso-like stuff (shib specifically) to set REMOTE_USER, so it could easily handle the auth on multiple paths
[15:23:46] <coderanger> Then you can ignore the tracforge SSO stuff entirely
[15:23:54] <jpr_> ok
[15:24:39] <jpr_> is it possible to fit multiple standalone projects into a heirarchy after they have been set up?
[15:24:52] <coderanger> I'm not sure what you mean
[15:24:57] <coderanger> Ahh, yes
[15:25:01] <jpr_> i've got several existing projects
[15:25:01] <coderanger> In fact, you have to
[15:25:10] <coderanger> The integrated creation system doesn't really work yet
[15:25:32] <coderanger> As for the subscription stuff, I would shy away from it. It does work, but I'm not happy with how I did it
[15:26:01] <jpr_> does that related to seeing all bugs from a single view?
[15:26:10] <jpr_> that's the main problem I have right now.
[15:26:55] <jpr_> the distinct wiki's work pretty well, also distinct SVN access in my standalong projects. I'm interesting in have centralized bug viewing and reporting though.
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[15:27:45] <coderanger> Yeah, that won't work all that well :P
[15:27:54] <coderanger> I take it the projects already have tickets
[15:28:00] <jpr_> yes. :)
[15:28:19] <jpr_> not that they have to migrate flawlessly, i'm just looking to have a more integrated overview.
[15:28:27] <coderanger> Yeah, there are no provisions for pushing existing tickets to the subscription system
[15:28:38] <coderanger> You could make such a thing, I just haven't
[15:28:48] <coderanger> Have you looked at the TraM query screen?
[15:29:17] <jpr_> I've thought of just building an overview site that "integrates" them by just being able to branch to the sub projects more consistnetly.
[15:29:28] <coderanger> It might be easier to modify that
[15:29:30] <jpr_> nope on TraM query.
[15:29:37] <jpr_> i'll check it out.
[15:30:12] <jpr_> what's the biggest benefit of tracforge? configuration centralization?
[15:30:36] <coderanger> SSO, centralized groups/perms, enhanced project index
[15:31:09] <jpr_> the groups/perm are a good bonus. :)
[15:32:07] <coderanger> Yeah, and you can certainly use both Tracforge and TraM together
[15:33:43] <jpr_> what are your thoughts on the data integration? Is it best to just build this out of the RSS feeds and intelligent overview webpage construction?
[15:34:25] <jpr_> i'm thinking of using some CMS tool (eg. stripped down drupal) and feeding data into it and using it as the main entry point.
[15:35:07] <coderanger> RSS doesn't contain enough data as is, though you could use some supplemental extensions
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[15:35:39] <jpr_> is this a limitation of rss or trac's use of rss? It seems tools like wikimedia export a lot of data via rss.
[15:35:49] <coderanger> My next iteration of this will probably work along those lines though, with some kind of dataflow abstraction so it can actually work for remote systems
[15:35:51] <coderanger> of RSS
[15:36:02] <coderanger> things like the author name can't be put in RSS
[15:36:06] <jpr_> ah
[15:36:50] <coderanger> dublin core and RDF have fields for it, but then its not pure RSS
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