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<aat> |
morning cmlenz |
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<cmlenz> |
morning alec |
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<cmlenz> |
ah well, not exactly morning I guess :) |
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<coderanger> |
Its morning somewhere |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah, here :) |
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<cmlenz> |
which reminds me that I haven't had coffee yet |
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<coderanger> |
ha ha</nelson> |
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<aat> |
heh |
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<coderanger> |
why are there no FOSS IMAP webmail tools that don't suck? |
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<misc> |
cause everybody use gmail ? |
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<cmlenz> |
question for you guys: do you recall the req.warnings stuff being discussed anywhere? |
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<coderanger> |
aat: Convinced the PTBs to add IMAP support yet? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Only as a "it would be nice if ..." |
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<aat> |
i wish |
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<aat> |
cmlenz: nope, never heard of it |
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<cmlenz> |
I mean the how it's been designed/implemented, not the requirement |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Nope |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: I've just periodically seen it in new code, haven't looked at it though |
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<cmlenz> |
req.warning('Tickets must contain a summary') |
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<cmlenz> |
weird |
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<cmlenz> |
huh, what kind of spam is that?? http://genshi.edgewall.org/ticket/129#comment:7 |
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<aat> |
hehe |
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<aat> |
bizarre |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm, does anyone know what matt meant here that has changed? http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/4982 |
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<cmlenz> |
ticket['reporter'] is wrong for comments |
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<aat> |
no idea |
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<cmlenz> |
arg |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Looks like the logic on the if is inverted |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<theJackal> |
all the documentation on 'get rid of the domain suffix' on trac urls seems not to want to work for me ( lighttpd + trac11dev ) |
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<coderanger> |
domain suffix? |
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<theJackal> |
ie: some.domain.com/trac <-- works some.domain.com/ <-- doesnt works |
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<coderanger> |
theJackal: You cannot, its a lighty bug |
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<theJackal> |
:S |
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<coderanger> |
theJackal: You have several options: 1) put a small hack in trac/web/api.py to hardcode SCRIPT_NAME as '/' |
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<theJackal> |
it works in both cases, i can get to the page |
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<coderanger> |
2) leave it at / |
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<theJackal> |
but it just redirects wrong :S |
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<coderanger> |
3) Use SCGI |
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<theJackal> |
ie: ive gotten it working , but it makes all the links point to the hidden path instead of the requested URL |
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<coderanger> |
theJackal: You can't lie, Trac knows ;-) |
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<theJackal> |
x_x |
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<theJackal> |
i thought the base_url argument was supposed to override tracs 'magic' |
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<coderanger> |
No |
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<theJackal> |
wtf is it for then? |
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<coderanger> |
Generating URLs without a request |
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<coderanger> |
like when sending emails |
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<coderanger> |
Or when making absolute URLs |
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<coderanger> |
theJackal: aat and I came up with a dataflow model that should work much better for finding SCRIPT_NAME/PATH_INFO, just not implemented yet |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger: how would that work? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Check (in order): WSGI variable trac.base_url, base_url in trac.ini, autodetect from SCRIPT_NAME |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: With the one in trac.ini still being used for req-less generation |
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<coderanger> |
What do you guys think of adding a redirect system/macro? |
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<coderanger> |
aat: Were you hitting #2611 even after adding WSGIAppGroup? |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger: how would you go about changing the page that is redirecting? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: I think mediawiki's "You were redirect from $PAGE" where $PAGE is a link back with a URL argument that disables the redirect works well |
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<cmlenz> |
do they use a cookie for that? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Could be done as a plugin, but it seems like the kind of thing to have in core |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Dunno, but I don't see why we would |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: You mean for tracking where you cam from? |
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<cmlenz> |
how would you know when to add that message then? |
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<coderanger> |
You can check Referrer? |
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<cmlenz> |
but Referer is there for normal links, too |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: We could keep it in the session data |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Just track the last 10 pages and if any where redirects |
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<coderanger> |
could also be used for breadcrumbs in a plugin |
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<cmlenz> |
that would mean we create a session for every user hitting a redirecting page, we currently try to use sessions only for those who use personalization features |
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<cmlenz> |
I think a cookie would work nicely for the purpose |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: View /query will also make a session, and thats way more common |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm |
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<cmlenz> |
ouch |
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<coderanger> |
? |
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<cmlenz> |
you're right |
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<cmlenz> |
it's just that I don't like that :P |
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<cmlenz> |
although it was probably me who added it |
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<coderanger> |
heh |
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<coderanger> |
I like that we keep the number of cookies low |
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<cmlenz> |
well, keeping things in cookie instead of in the database has its advantages |
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<cmlenz> |
no database writes required |
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<cmlenz> |
for things like "flash" messages I think keeping them in cookies is quite nice |
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<cmlenz> |
because you don't need them across different browser sessions |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: I would rather use something like memcached for something like that |
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<cmlenz> |
why? |
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<coderanger> |
reduces client-side complexity |
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<cmlenz> |
I don't really buy that |
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<coderanger> |
For those of us that actually review cookies it gets annoying ;-) |
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<cmlenz> |
well, a lot of the web is annoying to you, then :) |
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<coderanger> |
amen to that |
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<coderanger> |
same reason I like that Trac doesn't rely on JS (though I don't actually leave that off anymore) |
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<aat> |
coderanger: no, the global and app group fixed it |
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<coderanger> |
aat: Okay |
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<kosz> |
hello |
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<kosz> |
i am getting this : Authentication information not available. Please refer to the installation documentation. when trying to login ... i've setup a password file with htdigest |
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<kosz> |
err htpasswd |
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<kosz> |
the same way i did it for another instance of trac ... and it doesn't work ... allthough i point trac to it . any ideas ? |
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<coderanger> |
what frontend |
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<coderanger> |
@faq frontend |
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<evil_twin> |
coderanger: "frontend" is CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or tracd |
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<kosz> |
thanks |
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<kosz> |
tracd |
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<kosz> |
i actually figured this one out |
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<kosz> |
i had to specify the project name as well |
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<coderanger> |
indeed |
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<kosz> |
now having a more htpasswd specific issue |
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<kosz> |
don't know how to add realms ? |
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<kosz> |
i do htpasswd -c mypassFile myName ... |
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<coderanger> |
htpasswd doesn't have realms |
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<kosz> |
hmm |
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<kosz> |
can i use trac without specifying the realm ? |
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<kosz> |
or if not , what should i use to have realms |
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<coderanger> |
If you use --basic-auth |
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<coderanger> |
--auth uses htdigest, not htpasswd |
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<kosz> |
aaaa k |
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<kosz> |
a bit confused around this area |
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<kosz> |
now it's clear |
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<kosz> |
so i'll use htdigest in the end ... i got confused amongst the two |
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<osimons> |
cmlenz: you mentioned warnings? if you are looking into it, I have a UI issue in that it gets inserted before ctxtnav. I use pretty much all Trac modules + some Trac-Hacks modules + a number of my own modules, and every single template adds this as the first element: <div id="ctxtnav" class="nav" /> |
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<osimons> |
my questions are then: 1) should it not be first element of <div> content instead?, and 2) why isnt ctxtnav included in layout.html instead as all modules always include it? |
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<erikand> |
what's the big difference between master ticket features beeing developed and the masterticket plugin? |
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<coderanger> |
erikand: What master ticket features do you mean? |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Because we previously didn't have a good way to do that |
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<erikand> |
I'm not really sure ;-) |
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<erikand> |
but there is a ticket #886 for trac |
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<erikand> |
and there is also the plugin |
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<coderanger> |
erikand: Yes, I should probably close that |
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<erikand> |
oh |
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<coderanger> |
Unless you can think of something that isn't handled by MasterTickets |
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<erikand> |
Nah... not for now, and if I do I will assign it to the masterticket plugin |
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<erikand> |
great |
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<erikand> |
thanks |
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<osimons> |
coderanger: yeah i know, and genshi changes our options with ctxtnav - and if it is a good idea to move it it should likely be done now as 0.11 is still in dev? |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Feel free ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Still need a good API for it |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Similar problem to the warnings API actually |
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<osimons> |
if not i'll move the warnings in my site.html |
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<osimons> |
coderanger: api? |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: The problem is that the data for populating the ctxtnav is only known during the actual process_request |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: So you can use a separate callback like the other nav bars |
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<coderanger> |
er, can't |
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<osimons> |
well, yeah, but some 25+ templates in my setup include the ctxtnav the same place in their respective templates |
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<osimons> |
(25+ modules and plugins) |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Backwards compat aside, people need to redo their templates anyway |
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<osimons> |
that was what i was thinking |
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<[psy]> |
is it possible to make some special wiki page or area which requires extra permissions to read? |
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<coderanger> |
[psy]: What version of Trac |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: So the question remains, how to make the API |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Easiest way is probably something along the lines of add_script and add_stylesheet |
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<coderanger> |
(ditto for add_warngins) |
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<[psy]> |
stable, 0.10.3.1 |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Thoughts? |
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<coderanger> |
[psy]: Well stable is 0.10.4, but the answer is still to use the RestrictedArea plugin |
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<osimons> |
coderanger: why is INavigationContributor not sufficient for mainnav, metanav and ctxtnav? |
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<cmlenz> |
ctxtnav needs to get passed some kind of context |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Because as I said before, the data is not known until process_request is run |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: add_ctxtnav(req, tag.a('foo')) |
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<cmlenz> |
the question is how that context should be represented |
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<osimons> |
ah - get it. sorry. |
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<cmlenz> |
hmm |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Or add_warning(req, 'Dont do that') |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger: but what about plugins that add to the context nav, that the chosen request handler doesn't know anything about? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Why is that a problem? |
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<cmlenz> |
should they be request filters or something? |
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<coderanger> |
Yeah, same way you can add a stylesheet from other places |
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<cmlenz> |
well, I think it'd be cleaner if the API was part of INavigationContributor |
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<coderanger> |
If we wanted to be really nice we could even do the same JavaScript tomfoolery to inject stuff added during render |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: We would need to use token values in a lot of places then |
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<coderanger> |
wiki/TracModWSGI?action=diff&version=HEAD vs. wiki/TracModWSGI?action=diff&version=3 |
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<[psy]> |
k thx coderanger ! |
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<coderanger> |
Unless you extract the latest version in two places |
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<cmlenz> |
true |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Not that I think thats a bad idea, but its a lot more work |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<cmlenz> |
so, wanna hack that together? ;-) |
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<coderanger> |
It also somewhat defeats the definition of context-sensitive options |
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<coderanger> |
heh, which? |
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<cmlenz> |
add_ctxtnav |
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<coderanger> |
I'll stare at it when I get a free moment |
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<cmlenz> |
also agree about add_warning |
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<cmlenz> |
the warning stuff should be in chrome |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Sounds good |
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<osimons> |
cmlenz, coderanger: isn't moving the ctxtnav to layout.html (coordinated with warnings and such)., and the api two separate issues? |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Even if it works the same way underneath, I don't like it being a function of req |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: One is dependent on the other |
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<cmlenz> |
the warnings should be collected in the chrome data, similar to the scripts/stylesheets/etc |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Yahr |
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<cmlenz> |
requests shouldn't have to know anything about warnings |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Well the chrome data still lives inside req, but thats just for dataflow reasons |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah |
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<coderanger> |
cmlenz: Its just behaviorally isolated :) |
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<coderanger> |
aat: Are you testing things right now? |
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<coderanger> |
aat: http://trac-hacks.org/admin/spamfilter/monitor/7451 |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5897 (defect created): Milestone name change doesn't reflect in ticket_change table <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5897> |
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<osimons> |
cmlenz, coderanger: about attaching things to the req; 0.11 moves from attaching the data to the req object (req.hdf), and to a separate entity that gets passed around. however, it will not always make it to rendering: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5594 - as you both conclude, things need to be attached to req to ensure correct dataflow as-is |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: Indeed, however as I said, it doesn't mean that the API should always directly reflect |
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<osimons> |
coderanger: yeah, i see that - calling req.add_warning() vs. some method of Chrome or something |
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<coderanger> |
req.warning(msg) vs .add_warning(req, msg) |
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<osimons> |
yeah - the methods do not belong on req. Or even add_warning (context, msg) now :-) |
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<coderanger> |
osimons: What is your objection to add_warning(req) |
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<osimons> |
no objections |
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<osimons> |
- it was just making use of the new all-encompassing context object :-) |
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<aat> |
mmmm, tasty food |
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<erikand> |
I have a question regarding the master tickets plugin |
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<coderanger> |
mhmm |
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<erikand> |
or maybe a feature request.. tried to search if anyooone already discussed it |
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<erikand> |
like, when you press the clone-button should the master ticket for the clone automatically become the master ticket (in the masterticket plugin way) |
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<coderanger> |
I don't think I can do that |
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<coderanger> |
At least not without a lot of hilarity anyway |
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<coderanger> |
Though I wouldn't want to actually |
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<erikand> |
ok. cool. thanks |
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<coderanger> |
Since the general use case of cloning a ticket to manage the same issue on two branches doesnt imply a hierarchy really |
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<coderanger> |
I dislike that clone was put in the standard UI to begin with though |
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<erikand> |
why? |
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<coderanger> |
Because its a relatively uncommon use case, and I would rather see it as a plugin |
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<coderanger> |
(and I think the ticket system has been getting too big in general lately) |
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<erikand> |
ok |
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<aat> |
woot |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger: agreed 100% |
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<cmlenz> |
it just get backed out |
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<cmlenz> |
s/just/should |
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<aat> |
god yes! |
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<aat> |
and it's relatively simple to do now with the stream transforms |
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<coderanger> |
glad some other people are still sane around here :) |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: TracOnOsxDarwinPorts edited by jwa@wahlstedt.fi <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnOsxDarwinPorts> || Ticket #5898 (defect created): Wrong req.redirect in process_admin_request <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5898> || TracInstallPlatforms edited by jwa@wahlstedt.fi <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstallPlatforms> || TracInstallPlatforms edited by jwa@wahlstedt.fi <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstallPlatforms> |
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