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June 10, 2008

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[00:09:52] <s0undt3ch> foo: yes, I was ;)
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[00:10:42] <s0undt3ch> coderanger, pacopablo: the verification module still has problems, and it wasn't my commit
[00:13:26] <s0undt3ch> coderanger, pacopablo: I'm updating matt's patch to fix what I find and I'm even working on some functional tests
[00:13:50] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: I submitted a patch to add an option and a GUI for it
[00:14:06] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Feel free to verify it does actually work, I'm too tired to bother
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[00:14:21] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: lol, not checking it in yourself?
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[00:14:47] <coderanger> s0undt3ch: Maybe tomorrow, I would want to run it first
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[00:16:45] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: that web_ui you touched is the troublesome :)
[00:17:06] <s0undt3ch> coderanger: have a good night sleep when you land from that ejection ;)
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[01:55:24] <otaku42> wondering: is there a way to set tickets to a state where anonymous users can see the ticket, but can't write comments?
[01:55:59] <otaku42> means: the decision whether comments are allowed or not need to be made on a per-ticket-basis, thus modifying the permissions for anonymous does not work.
[01:56:21] <otaku42> i'm using trac 0.10.4
[01:58:53] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7319 (suggestion: support to adjust the order of milestone) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7319>
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[02:12:04] <proofek> hiya guys, is there any easy way to change syntax highliting when previewing code?
[02:13:27] <proofek> it's pretty easy with annotations but i haven't found a proper way of changing the look of the code itself yet
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[02:21:44] <s0undt3ch> otaku42: you either allow, or disallow anonymous users from entering comments
[02:21:52] <s0undt3ch> otaku42: for all tickets
[02:24:43] <cmlenz> well, in 0.11 you can implement custom permission policies on a subject/resource/action basis
[02:25:22] <otaku42> s0undt3ch: i know that this is the status quo of a vanilla trac installation. i just wondered whether there is a way to change that - be it with a plugin, a patch to trac, switching to a different version of trac or whatever
[02:26:17] <otaku42> cmlenz: is that something that one can configure in a vanilla installation, or is it required to write a plugin to implement such a custom policy?
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[02:27:21] <cmlenz> you write a plugin for that, but there are a couple samples that might be usable without modification
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[02:27:44] <cmlenz> such as http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/branches/0.11-stable/sample-plugins/permissions/authz_policy.py
[02:28:19] <s0undt3ch> cmlenz: Morning! :)
[02:28:26] <cmlenz> moin
[02:29:06] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7305 (MySQL Erro 1062 (Duplicate Entry) when doing "resync" with filenames that ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7305#comment:4>
[02:29:16] <otaku42> cmlenz: hmm, ok, thanks. will look at that. however, switching to 0.11 probably will require a bit of work for us, since we're using a customized (as in: patched) trac 0.10.
[02:29:21] <s0undt3ch> dam, the functional test suite works wonders to test plugins! Adding functional tests to account manager plug
[02:40:12] <proofek> and the other question - is there any way of central permission management - cross-projects stuff? I've already implemented custom auth plugin to authenticate against our existing systems but persmissions are still pain in the ass
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[02:47:38] <s0undt3ch> proofek: for .10 tracforge, which also exist for .11 but it's pretty unstable
[02:48:08] <s0undt3ch> proofek: but for .10 trac installs should work good
[02:48:39] <proofek> is it a plugin? I am using 0.11 anyway
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[02:51:48] <s0undt3ch> proofek: yes, a plugin, and for .11, not yet usable
[02:52:03] <s0undt3ch> proofek: but you can probnably
[02:52:05] <s0undt3ch> errr
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[02:52:50] <s0undt3ch> proofek: but you can probably write a plugin for the account manager which would then handle your global authentications, regarding perms, might want to have look at how tracforge does
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[02:55:26] <proofek> s0undt3ch: i am not using account manager but now i can see all stuff in perm.py i could use all the interfaces in there, disable the default permission stuff and use my plugin to handle that
[02:55:42] <proofek> s0undt3ch: thanks for the tip
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[02:55:45] <s0undt3ch> proofek: np
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[02:56:58] <proofek> s0undt3ch: maybe you also know how to overwrite syntax highliting for part of the code in code browser?
[02:59:24] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7199]: TracMercurial v0.12: ported r7039 (''support for branch information in ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7199>
[03:01:19] <s0undt3ch> proofek: on a part of a file? dunno if even possible
[03:01:58] <s0undt3ch> proofek: on the whole file, if using svn, google svn propset mime types
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[03:04:16] <josch|nsn> hello thar!
[03:04:30] <proofek> s0undt3ch: i just wanted to highlight/de-highlight a part of a file for code review purposes, but in that cause i think i will have to just use jquery to do that on the fly
[03:04:30] <josch|nsn> i have a major problem with my trac 0.11 installation
[03:05:24] <josch|nsn> on two servers there is the same problem: after some time (mostly a few days depending on traffic) apache starts to require huge amounts of memory and in the end swapps everything
[03:05:45] <josch|nsn> what can i do/what do you need to know?
[03:09:07] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: using latest trac and latest genshi?
[03:09:55] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: update to latest releases, if it still hapens file a bug, and talk about it here, a dev will led you on how to check what might be wrong
[03:13:34] <josch|nsn> s0undt3ch: so you are sure this is a trac and not apache/modpython issue?
[03:24:12] <josch|nsn> genshi 0.4.4, trac 0.11b1 - should i upgrade to 0.11b2 or svn?
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[03:26:26] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: first of all, upgrade genshi, latest stable is 0.5(released yesterday)
[03:26:42] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: and regarding trac, update to rc1
[03:27:03] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: rc2 should be released soon, but I think rc1 already addresses that issue
[03:27:21] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: if upgrading is not a solution for you, setup a cron to restart apache every X days
[03:28:08] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: sorry, trac rc2 is already released :)
[03:28:34] <josch|nsn> yepp
[03:28:41] <josch|nsn> i just did easy_install --upgrade
[03:29:10] <josch|nsn> think i have to run trac-admin now?
[03:29:38] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers?version=696>
[03:30:27] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: browse to your trac install, if you get a 500 saying you need to upgrade env, then upgrade it, and your good to go
[03:30:33] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: ah, and restart apache
[03:30:43] <josch|nsn> of course
[03:32:07] <josch|nsn> hrm... trac-admin tells me that the database is up to date but i still get 500
[03:32:22] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: then check apache logs
[03:33:49] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: and trac log
[03:37:06] <josch|nsn> okay i fixed an error with the egg cache
[03:37:19] <josch|nsn> now it complains that compat can not be imported
[03:39:41] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: just compat not more info?
[03:39:51] <s0undt3ch> trac.util.compat?
[03:39:58] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: what's your python version?
[03:40:08] <josch|nsn> 2.4
[03:40:12] <josch|nsn> should i update?
[03:40:39] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: that should sufice, if you had 2.3 might be worst
[03:40:54] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: can you paste your logs
[03:42:23] <josch|nsn> of course
[03:42:32] <josch|nsn> trac log too?
[03:43:30] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: yeah, won't hurt
[03:44:47] <josch|nsn> http://phpfi.com/323309 <= apache
[03:44:54] <josch|nsn> thx for your help :)
[03:48:53] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: got a trac log with debug level?
[03:49:09] <josch|nsn> one moment - have to enable logging first
[03:50:56] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: and don't reload apache, restart it
[03:57:12] <josch|nsn> thanks for the hint - i do /etc/init.d/apache restart everytime
[03:57:38] <josch|nsn> the log took a while because i had to figure out how to nopaste from bash
[03:57:43] <josch|nsn> now using curl for this task
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[04:11:53] <josch|nsn> s0undt3ch: http://sprunge.us/fKIb
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[04:13:09] <josch|nsn> the next paste will be faster - now i know sprunge :)
[04:17:28] <josch|nsn> i still have no idea why trac is not working
[04:20:30] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: trac-admin /path/to/env resync
[04:21:07] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: install pygments, you'll like it
[04:21:50] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: and it apears that you're able to login?
[04:21:55] <josch|nsn> whooo \o/
[04:21:58] <josch|nsn> works now
[04:22:00] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: using apache basic auth?
[04:22:02] <josch|nsn> Trac 0.11dev-r7198
[04:22:04] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: great
[04:22:17] <josch|nsn> thanks for your help
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[04:22:24] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: also fix 2008-06-10 10:51:00,572 Trac[__init__] WARNING: base_url option not set in configuration, generated links may be incorrect
[04:22:29] <josch|nsn> i use pygments on the other trac install - it's great
[04:22:37] <josch|nsn> okay will fix that
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[04:23:02] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: not that much used anymore, but won't hurt, and will not show on logs ;)
[04:23:04] <josch|nsn> yeah i login with apache auth
[04:23:30] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: that's why you were already logged in "Retrieving session for ID u'josch'
[04:23:41] <josch|nsn> yepp - read that
[04:23:42] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: k, glad it works
[04:23:46] <josch|nsn> :)
[04:23:50] <josch|nsn> thanks for your help
[04:23:52] <s0undt3ch> np
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[04:24:09] <josch|nsn> i hope the swapping issue is gone now
[04:24:49] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: the mem usage will be lower, yes, that point' was addressed, if you still find troubles, let admins know to keep on narrowing down the problems
[04:26:19] <josch|nsn> :)
[04:32:00] <josch|nsn> after accessing seven wiki pages in my trac memory usage increased by 47MB - is this normal?
[04:33:45] <josch|nsn> after accessing "browse source" and timeline another 60MB were added
[04:33:52] <josch|nsn> my 128MB ram are full
[04:34:28] <josch|nsn> and now it's slow again...
[04:36:38] <josch|nsn> trac swaps 20MB ram now
[04:39:27] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: wait and see if it lowers though 128Meg is not that much
[04:39:50] <josch|nsn> is 128 not eough for trac?
[04:39:53] <josch|nsn> seems so
[04:40:14] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: your not running only trac, it's apache+trac
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[04:40:20] <orkam> hi
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[04:40:31] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: at least
[04:40:32] <s0undt3ch> :)
[04:41:23] <josch|nsn> well i have a trac with 8 wiki pages and subversion
[04:41:29] <josch|nsn> for this setup it's not enogh
[04:41:37] <josch|nsn> were goes all the ram?
[04:41:47] <josch|nsn> can i stop it from eating so much?
[04:42:24] <orkam> do you know any plugin that gives me a 'print-view' of a report (e.g. Active Tickets by Milestone)? I found some Wiki2pdf plugins, also export reports as RSS, csv or tsv, but that's not what I'm looking for. What I'd like to have is 'export report to pdf' or 'display report only (without nav elements) in the browser'.
[04:44:05] <s0undt3ch> josch|nsn: well, repo view is the most eater for sure, basicaly it caches stuff for faster latter accesses, dunno if you can disable cache
[04:45:26] <josch|nsn> what cache?
[04:45:39] <josch|nsn> i have two servers both with 128mb ram
[04:45:58] <josch|nsn> if this is too small - would it be better to pay for more?
[04:46:22] <josch|nsn> i never thought that trac would use 300MB ram (swap included)
[04:47:45] <josch|nsn> it seems this was my old issue with beta1 http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6614
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[04:51:24] <josch|nsn> wow memory leakage seems to be a huge problem
[04:51:37] <josch|nsn> I'm doomed with leaking+lowram :(
[04:52:51] <jborg> josch|nsn: you should probably consider using something else than apache + mod_python if you're concerned about memory usage
[04:53:05] <josch|nsn> what's better?
[04:53:07] <josch|nsn> fastcgi?
[04:53:08] <jborg> josch|nsn: lighttpd + fastcgi is probably your best option
[04:53:12] <josch|nsn> hehe
[04:53:22] <josch|nsn> is use apache for svn
[04:54:17] <josch|nsn> but fastcgi is not really supported in lighty
[04:54:19] <jborg> apache + fastcgi should also be better, just make sure you're not loading the mod_python module
[04:54:33] <josch|nsn> you can use it but there is no adeptive spawning
[04:54:52] <josch|nsn> didnt know mod_python was so bad
[04:54:54] <jborg> trac.edgewall.org uses lighttpd + fastcgi (and apache for svn)
[04:55:19] <josch|nsn> they probably have more than 128Megs :P
[04:57:15] <jborg> yeah, but at the end of the day 128MB is not a lot of ram these days.
[04:57:33] <jborg> For example: the smallest plan on linode.com is 360MB
[04:58:26] <josch|nsn> i didnt know that trac was so memory hungry by nature
[04:59:03] <josch|nsn> my system with a fresh restarted apache is using 40MB in total - so i though 80MB might be enough for trac
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[05:17:21] <jborg> well, the major downside with using mod_python is that the trac memory footprint is multiplied by the number of apache processes
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[05:18:26] <jborg> and your kernel also need memory for caches and buffers to work correctly, no you can't let your apps use all the memory
[05:19:22] <asmodai> hence lighttpd/nginx + fcgi :D
[05:21:18] <josch|nsn> then i have to learn how to still use svn
[05:21:39] <jborg> apache with mod_wsgi in daemon mode might also give similar results, but I haven't tested it myself. Better than mod_python anyway
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[05:24:11] <josch|nsn> hrm... wsgi is slightly faster than fastcgi right?
[05:25:27] <jborg> dunno, should be pretty similar.
[05:26:24] <josch|nsn> well i'm doing my own wsgi app - so i prefer it for now ^^
[05:27:36] <josch|nsn> but with wsgi i need no apache
[05:27:45] <josch|nsn> so it's only there for subversion
[05:27:47] <josch|nsn> that sucks
[05:31:06] <jborg> You can always use svnserve instead unless you need to export your repository as webdav
[05:31:39] <josch|nsn> well... webdav is what i use...
[05:32:04] <josch|nsn> but i will have a look into svnserve
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[06:06:31] <josch|nsn> what about using tracd?
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[06:15:22] <jborg> yeah, that's a good option
[06:15:22] <orkam_wrk> Hmmm, will this script run on 0.12dev using genshi? http://trac-hacks.org/browser/plannedmilestonesmacro/0.9/PlannedMilestones.py . 'def execute(hdf, txt, env):' sounds like clearsilver... If not: Is there any 'howto' how to get it to run?
[06:16:02] <jborg> josch|nsn: but if you still need apache you need 2 ip addresses or mod_proxy
[06:16:14] <josch|nsn> i only need apache for svn
[06:16:20] <josch|nsn> and there is svnserve
[06:16:22] <s0undt3ch> or nginx
[06:16:28] <josch|nsn> i tested it right now
[06:16:39] <josch|nsn> and tracd is insanely fast compared to apache
[06:16:45] <josch|nsn> with nearly no memory footprint
[06:16:51] <josch|nsn> 50MB free and not growing
[06:17:42] <josch|nsn> can i have the speed and zero memory footprint of tracd with a regular server too?
[06:19:36] <josch|nsn> why does apache eat so much memory and is slow like hell when a simple script like tracd rulez the hood?
[06:19:48] <josch|nsn> s/when/while/
[06:21:40] <josch|nsn> okay I'm back tomorrow
[06:21:49] <josch|nsn> will read the backlog then
[06:21:50] <josch|nsn> bye
[06:22:24] <hendrixski> I'm running Tracd (not apache) on Windows Server 2003 and was wondering... I'm about to set up a project into SVN which is broken into three sections (it's a huge codebase and these parts all interact with each other through RMI... don't ask why) Is there a way I can have one instance of trac link to all three of those SVN repo's?
[06:23:43] <hendrixski> and does tracd handle LDAP authentication? I found some some plugin, but it has Apache written all over the manual
[06:24:15] <s0undt3ch> hendrixski: account manager plugin
[06:24:28] <s0undt3ch> hendrixski: and the ldap plugin for account manager
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[06:28:00] <hendrixski> s0undt3ch: so both of those combined will allow ldap authentication even with just tracd? No apache required?
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[06:30:52] <s0undt3ch> hendrixski: never used ldap as a backend, but it think apache won't be needed
[06:31:12] <hendrixski> k
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[06:36:13] <whitelynx> Anyone know where I can get some help with Pygments? I wrote my own lexer, but I don't know how to test it, much less use it with Trac...
[06:36:34] <mitsuhiko> whitelynx: try #pocoo
[06:36:35] * retracile mumbles something sarcastic about mornings.
[06:36:38] <mitsuhiko> there are more pygments developers than here :)
[06:36:48] <whitelynx> ok cool, thanks :-)
[06:38:29] <asmodai> retracile: \o/
[06:38:49] <asmodai> whitelynx: by chance not the opera forum guy?
[06:43:53] <whitelynx> asmodai: nope... never been there
[06:45:03] <retracile> asmodai: "sarcastic" was one of your suggestions, wasn't it. :)
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[06:45:54] <asmodai> retracile: I think so
[06:46:41] <asmodai> retracile: how about disdainful, derisory, poisonous, venomous, spiteful, sardonic, contemptuous?
[06:46:56] * asmodai should stop reading dictionaries for fun :$
[06:47:07] <retracile> beautiful! :)
[06:49:01] <asmodai> acidic?
[06:49:11] <asmodai> owww, acrimonious
[06:50:21] <retracile> acrimonious! I like it. :)
[06:50:36] <asmodai> retracile: we're pushing up to a year at least now :D
[06:50:51] <retracile> I think I'll go with 'derisive' instead of 'derisory' though.
[06:51:24] <retracile> 232 days without a repeat :)
[06:51:58] <retracile> (We'd get more mileage out of verbs than adjectives at this point.)
[06:55:46] <asmodai> lets see, whisper, whine, stutter, sputter, screech, murmur, growl
[06:57:03] <retracile> 'whine' is good, I have sputter and growl. murmur is good.
[06:57:51] <asmodai> wail, groan, grouch ?
[06:57:54] <retracile> whisper and stutter... eh... they're missing the negativity I'm looking for.
[06:58:20] <asmodai> grunt
[06:58:45] <retracile> wail and screech... they'd work, but I think they indicate more volume than I'm looking for.
[06:58:50] <retracile> grunt works
[06:58:59] <asmodai> yeah, true, wail is loud
[06:59:50] <retracile> I'm looking for the 'off in the corner muttering to himself about mornings' feel.
[07:00:03] <retracile> There are 11 verbs and 29 adjectives giving 319 unique complaints.
[07:01:14] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracInstall edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall?version=245>
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[07:02:54] <asmodai> bitch, croak, complain, grumble, sigh,
[07:03:55] <retracile> Not gonna to use 'bitch'; have 'grumbles'.
[07:04:16] <retracile> 'complains' doesn't quite work in the sentence structure.
[07:05:15] <retracile> 'sighs' is border-line. 'croaks'... hm.
[07:05:27] <asmodai> ideal for Monday after the weekend ;)
[07:05:37] <retracile> hehe :)
[07:06:20] <asmodai> jeez: In 2006, North American advertisers spent US$9.4 billion on search engine marketing
[07:08:14] <retracile> asmodai: I'll go ahead and use 'sighs' and 'croaks', at least for now.
[07:08:17] <retracile> There are 13 verbs and 29 adjectives giving 377 unique complaints.
[07:08:24] <retracile> And that gets us over a year. :)
[07:09:34] <asmodai> \o/
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[07:13:39] <|1|||1|> is RobotTxtPlugin still the recommended way for robot.txt on v0.11?
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[07:19:26] <orkam_wrk> is there ANY way (except re-coding) to get 'old-style wiki makros' to run under trac versions >=0.11?
[07:19:47] <orkam_wrk> If yes: Where can I find install instructions?
[07:20:09] <orkam_wrk> I searched for it... without success :(
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[07:23:33] <whitelynx> orkam_wrk: nope, not that i've found... recoding them isn't very difficult though
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[07:24:48] <lfrancis> Hey all -- I want to set several lines of text in my description field. Setting description_default = "foo" + two line feeds + "morefoo", etc. in Trac.ini doesn't seem to work -- all blank lines are stripped out. Is there a way to specify linefeed/returns in the .ini that are respected?
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[07:25:27] <orkam> But, thanks for your answer. That way I can stop trying an impossible thing :)
[07:26:18] <lfrancis> Oh, that's in .11rc1, btw
[07:26:45] <whitelynx> orkam: what macro did you want to use in 0.11?
[07:27:08] <orkam> The WikiCalendar Makro and the PlannedMilestonesMakro
[07:27:30] <orkam> That would be verx nice to have an overview of the project on the WikiStart page
[07:27:47] <whitelynx> lfrancis: i'd say check this page out: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-ConfigParser.html
[07:27:56] <whitelynx> i'm guessing that's what Trac uses for parsing its .ini
[07:28:21] <whitelynx> orkam: aah... trac-hacks.org doesn't have any 0.11 ports or equivalents of those?
[07:28:45] <orkam> I didn't find them... (does not mean there are none)
[07:29:36] <whitelynx> yeah, i don't see them :-/
[07:29:49] <whitelynx> might want to look at just converting them to 0.11 though
[07:30:56] <orkam> Maybe WikiTicketCalendar will do ... just found it (should run on 0.11)
[07:31:25] <orkam> But surely it would be a great thing to have the Wikicalendar plugin converted :)
[07:36:24] <lfrancis> Thanks, whitelynx, taking a look at it now and notice that leading white space is removed. I've tried to add spaces to the blank lines to trick the parser into preserving the line with no love so far
[07:38:13] <lfrancis> I suppose I can add the text I want via Javascript, but adding via the ini seems more elegant
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[07:42:53] <huats> retracile: hey
[07:43:02] <huats> retracile: how are you ?
[07:43:29] <retracile> huats: :) Doing fine
[07:43:41] <huats> retracile: :)
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[07:44:30] <huats> retracile: i guess that you have not figured out the cause of my problem ?
[07:44:50] <retracile> huats: Haven't had a chance to work on Trac in about a week. :/
[07:45:07] <huats> :(
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[07:56:34] <orkam> Yea, WikiTicketCalendar is running fine on 0.12dev-r7195 :)
[08:01:43] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7289 (unknown encoding: /trac/reset_password) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7289#comment:3>
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