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June 17, 2008

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[00:16:48] <pacopablo> evening all
[00:18:08] <pacopablo> classic2: what's up?
[00:18:47] <classic2> pacopablo: not too much and you?
[00:18:58] <pacopablo> hacking away
[00:19:02] <pacopablo> should be asleep
[00:19:08] <pacopablo> did you have a question?
[00:20:05] <classic2> same here: I did actually. I was wondering what's the best way to get .hellanzb to run at startup (I'm on Ubuntu 7.10)?
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[00:20:38] <pacopablo> I'm afraid I'm not familiar with .hellanzb
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[00:21:49] <pacopablo> classic2: what is .hellanzb?
[00:22:17] <classic2> oh. this isn't the hellanzb room? lol
[00:22:21] <pacopablo> no
[00:22:40] <pacopablo> my guess is that they use Trac as their ticket tracker
[00:22:53] <classic2> I see. well thanks anyways :)
[00:22:54] <pacopablo> and this is the channel for Trac
[00:22:55] <pacopablo> np
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[00:24:01] <pacopablo> wtf? did the search box get broken again on trunk?
[00:30:42] <pacopablo> ahh, no, just must be their site
[00:31:33] <asmodai> pacopablo!
[00:31:41] <pacopablo> asmodai!
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[00:32:56] <asmodai> pacopablo: How's tricks?
[00:33:43] <pacopablo> trix are for kids ;)
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[00:37:44] <asmodai> pacopablo: Are they?
[00:37:51] <pacopablo> indeed
[00:38:02] <pacopablo> you must be a silly rabbit
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[00:38:31] <pacopablo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trix_Rabbit
[00:39:43] <asmodai> Never even heard of it.
[00:40:08] <pacopablo> missing out on sugary goodness over yonder
[00:40:33] <asmodai> We dance the Kellogg's dance
[00:41:09] <asmodai> Firefox could not install the file at
[00:41:09] <asmodai> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/5369/yslow-0.9.5b2-fx.xpi
[00:41:09] <asmodai> because: Download error
[00:41:09] <asmodai> -228
[00:41:15] <asmodai> Oh yeah, real helpful.
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[00:41:48] <asmodai> Ah, it's a 404.
[00:41:53] <asmodai> Well, gee.
[00:45:21] <pacopablo> could be a problem
[00:45:51] <pacopablo> one would think that it would have been easier for firefox to have said: "Gee, doesn't look like this file exists there anymore"
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[00:54:05] <asmodai> pacopablo: or rather: has not yet been uploaded.
[00:54:18] <asmodai> pacopablo: the update mechanism thinks there's a new file, but the location disagrees
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[00:55:32] <pacopablo> mmm
[00:57:04] <asmodai> pacopablo: can you say: had proved ... ? or is it: had proven ...
[00:57:29] <pacopablo> ha proved or has proven
[00:57:33] <pacopablo> er, had proved
[00:57:48] <pacopablo> though, it may be better to simply say "proved"
[00:58:16] <pacopablo> hmm, I'll correct myself, should be had proven
[00:58:17] <asmodai> pacopablo: Encountered it in a book, something like 'he'd proved himself' or so.
[00:58:26] <asmodai> Just didn't sit well in my feeling.
[00:58:33] <asmodai> Also spotted 'right of passage'.
[00:58:45] <pacopablo> in that case, should simple have been: "he proved himself
[00:59:00] <pacopablo> hehe, yeah, should be "rite of passage"
[01:00:29] * asmodai is an annoying guy to read books ;)
[01:01:20] <pacopablo> what book?
[01:01:27] <pacopablo> or rather who wrote them?
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[01:06:16] <asmodai> pacopablo: Mass Effect: Revelation by Drew Kapyshyn
[01:11:37] <pacopablo> ahh
[01:11:49] <pacopablo> probably had shoddy editors
[01:13:13] <asmodai> pacopablo: I'd make a good editor I think. :D
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[01:14:54] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7339 ([Patch] Display full user names instead of user login) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7339>
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[01:19:05] <pacopablo> later
[01:20:20] <asmodai> ciao
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[01:45:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracFineGrainedPermissions edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFineGrainedPermissions?version=7> || TracPermissions edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions?version=59> || TracPermissions edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracPermissions?version=58>
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[02:15:20] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7340 (bugzilla2trac.py: work with bugzilla 2.16.7, use bugzilla severities as ...) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7340>
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[02:29:39] <tomas_> hi!
[02:30:24] <tomas_> I am looking for a way to integrate Trac with some other tools and overviews, it there some way to get more detailed XML than just RSS from things like tickets?
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[02:30:58] <doki_pen> t0mas: did you look into the XmlRpc plugin?
[02:34:03] <t0mas> doki_pen: not yet :)
[02:34:20] <t0mas> I'll try that..
[02:35:26] <t0mas> I was hoping that I could just do some XSLT transforms to display the data.. but XML-RPC seems like a possibility too
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[02:45:33] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7336 (SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'oscar': (451, '4.3.0 : ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7336#comment:3> || Ticket #7336 (SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'oscar': (451, '4.3.0 : ...) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7336#comment:2>
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[03:14:18] <rabbit> Hi
[03:15:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7342 (Add filter parameters to milestone view) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7342> || Ticket #7341 (While I was trying to attach a .html file on the existing ticket, I found ...) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7341>
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[03:16:13] <rabbit> anyone using mylin with trac ?
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[03:59:24] <orkam_wrk> hi
[04:06:35] <orkam_wrk> I'm still looking for a possibility to sort milestones manually in the roadmap view. Creating a query 'Active Tickets by Milestone' uses natual sorting, which allowssorting via count-prefix. Unfortunately the roadmap sorts by duedate first, then natural. Where can I change that? (I have had a look in th roadmap.py, but haven't found the correct lines yet 'cause my python knowledge is very weak :(. Maybe anyone could give me a pointer?
[04:16:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracTickets edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracTickets?version=47>
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[04:30:13] <__McA__> Hi all
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[04:31:01] <__McA__> Anybody here who could probably help me with trac installation (apache 2.2, mod_python, trac 0.11rc2)
[04:31:07] <__McA__> I do have a weired problem
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[04:45:21] <orkam_wrk> __McA__, what kind of problem?
[04:46:22] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7343 (Changeset module requires read permission to '/') created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7343>
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[05:39:16] <__McA__> orkam_wrk: Sorry for the delay. The problem is that authorization as described doesn't work. As soon as I hit the logim-Button I get a message about wrong installation. Apache log does have a Status 500 for this request, but there are no messages describing the problem further.
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[06:56:45] <pjw> does anyone know much about the TestManagement Plugin?
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[07:04:42] <cdleary> is there a way to make the default page loaded be the timeline instead of the wiki? I haven
[07:04:57] <cdleary> 't been able to find any documentation on how to do that
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[07:13:42] <retracile> cdleary: default_handler, IIRC.
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[07:14:11] <dfas> is 0.11 final release expected any time soon?
[07:16:27] <cdleary> retracile: thanks -- that seems to be right, but now I can't find docs on what the handlers appropriate names are
[07:17:12] <retracile> dfas: yeah, though that's been the case for a while. ;) We're on rc2, and I believe the expectation is that the next release will be -final... but we'll see.
[07:17:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7344 (Getting error while login to ...) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7344>
[07:17:46] <retracile> cdleary: they're component names; grep the source would be one way to find 'em.
[07:18:47] <dfas> retracile: any time estimation? :)
[07:20:16] <cdleary> retracile: I figured it'd be something like that :) Maybe I should submit a doc ticket to have them posted for each major release?
[07:21:03] <retracile> cdleary: sure. no promises ;)
[07:21:13] <retracile> dfas: not that I'd be willing to put money on. ;)
[07:21:55] <retracile> cdleary: try "TimelineModule"
[07:22:40] <cdleary> retracile: yeah, I did that and it worked... just figured maybe they weren't all that intuitive (i.e. BrowseSourceModule)
[07:23:00] <cdleary> retracile: thanks for the help though!
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[07:47:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7344 (Getting error while login to ...) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7344#comment:3> || Ticket #7344 (Getting error while login to ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7344#comment:2>
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[08:08:20] <pjw> hey, i asked before, but someone sitting beside me is asking again. is there any-way to have the "owner" field become a drop down list where you can choose among the registered users...?
[08:08:25] <pjw> this is for a ticket btw
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[08:09:26] <retracile> pjw: restrict_owner
[08:09:51] <pjw> this is a parameter to change in the ini file?
[08:10:00] <pjw> or some sort of plugin option?
[08:10:33] <retracile> ini file.
[08:10:50] <retracile> @wiki TracIni
[08:10:51] <evil_twin> retracile: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracIni
[08:11:38] <pjw> thanks guys
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[08:12:53] <sdboyer> anybody had luck getting authenticated access to work using mod_wsgi? tryin to get integrated with mylyn
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[08:13:27] <sdboyer> feel like i'm chasing my tail on this, anon access works fine, but authed access flatly refuses to
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[08:17:48] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7344 (Getting error while login to ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7344#comment:4>
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[08:48:02] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/PortingFromClearSilverToGenshi edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/PortingFromClearSilverToGenshi?version=6> || Ticket #7345 (milestone due date changes from time to time) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7345>
[08:49:21] <ras0ir> version=6 is spam?
[08:49:42] <pjw> looks like it...
[09:00:14] <huats> retracile: hey
[09:01:03] <huats> retracile: i think I have found another bug....
[09:03:14] <retracile> huats: argh.
[09:03:31] <huats> retracile: yeap :(
[09:03:55] <huats> retracile: every external command is runned twice
[09:04:07] <retracile> What?!
[09:04:32] <huats> yep
[09:05:02] * retracile mutters something depressing about bugs
[09:05:22] * huats will try to cheer you up
[09:05:30] <jhammel> retracile: bugs are proof that software is written by humans ;)
[09:05:58] <huats> and that they are used
[09:06:00] <huats> ...
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[09:09:19] <retracile> huats: I'll try to make some time to work on it tonight. Can you give me a testcase?
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[09:13:34] <huats> retracile: sure
[09:13:38] <huats> I'll give you that
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[09:13:54] <huats> (not now, but during my evening :))
[09:14:49] <huats> retracile: I was wondering if it was not related to the fact that I use trac on apache...
[09:14:55] <huats> and that you use tracd
[09:14:56] <huats> ...
[09:18:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7345 (milestone due date changes from time to time) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7345#comment:1>
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[09:48:32] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7346 (Unsupported version control system "hg") created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7346>
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[10:01:46] <ras0ir> jerem_y: have you fixed your "hg" problem?
[10:02:14] <jerem_y> still working on it
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[10:04:14] <ras0ir> take a look at ticket 7334
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[10:13:10] <jerem_y> ras0ir: a changeset from a couple of days ago addresses 7334.
[10:13:34] <ras0ir> hmm ok
[10:13:34] <jerem_y> however it didn't fix my issue
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[10:38:31] <pjw> does anyone here have any experience running TestCaseManagementPlugin?
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[10:40:04] <pjw> It appears that I end up with errors: I choose "Create Test Run from main line" and end up with an internal error: "global name 'FALSE' is not defined"
[10:40:29] <rocky> what's the license on http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/contrib/htpasswd.py ?
[10:46:14] <rocky> retracile: hey ... you're the author for http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/contrib/htpasswd.py ?
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[10:51:46] <retracile> rocky: same as Trac; BSD-style.
[10:52:54] <jhammel> is there anything wrong with running two front ends? in my case, we're using apache for production, but i'd like to test changes with tracd as restarting the apache server on this busy box isn't always a Good Idea
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[10:53:58] <rocky> kk
[10:54:35] <retracile> rocky: (See the COPYING file in the toplevel directory)
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[11:18:33] <jhammel> how do you turn off the JS folder expansion script for /browser?
[11:19:10] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracOnSlackwareTwelvePointOne edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnSlackwareTwelvePointOne?version=7> || TracOnSlackwareTwelvePointOne edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnSlackwareTwelvePointOne?version=6>
[11:19:43] <retracile> jhammel: why do you want to?
[11:20:22] <jhammel> retracile: the rendering is really slow
[11:20:39] <jhammel> retracile: it could be another problem, i suppose, i'm just trying to turn off everything to find the bottleneck
[11:21:04] <jhammel> retracile: i usually get an "Unresponsive script" when viewing large directories here
[11:21:31] <jhammel> retracile: http://trac.openplans.org/listen/browser if you want to look
[11:21:58] <retracile> jhammel: I see. Can't help with disabling it, but I'd suggest filing a ticket. (Include how long it takes, and how long you think it should take, etc.)
[11:22:47] <jhammel> retracile: i'm hesitant to file a ticket without tracking down the problem...lemme disable JS and see if its faster
[11:22:51] <asmodai> retracile!
[11:23:16] <retracile> asmodai!
[11:24:01] <asmodai> retracile: Sup dude?
[11:24:26] <retracile> asmodai: workin', readin' code
[11:25:06] <asmodai> yay
[11:25:19] <asmodai> retracile: I started coding on a DateTime class
[11:27:53] <jhammel> does anyone else have problems with /browser being slow for large repos? (8 sec here for 936 entries)
[11:27:55] <retracile> asmodai: Oh?
[11:28:22] <asmodai> retracile: Yeah
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[11:32:23] <asmodai> retracile: current datetime sucks
[11:32:34] <asmodai> retracile: Especially if you need years < 0
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[11:33:37] <drozzy_> greetings
[11:34:23] <retracile> asmodai: As in B.C.?
[11:35:20] <asmodai> retracile: Yeah, but also for other calendars.
[11:36:04] <asmodai> retracile: Buddhist year counting is ~500+ years ahead of ours, for example.
[11:36:25] <drozzy_> I was wandering if Trac allows creating separate "Client" accounts, as in i want to provide support ticket-system to each of my clients (but they shouldn't see the other tickets)
[11:37:04] <jhammel> drozzy_: i *think* the PrivateTicketsPlugin does this (maybe?)
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[11:38:12] <drozzy_> jhammel: thanks. How suitable for trac be for something like this? I know there are other systems out there (like help-desk?) that do this...
[11:38:25] <drozzy_> *would trac
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[11:38:53] <jhammel> drozzy_: i'm not sure your exact needs, and i don't share them, so its hard for me to estimate
[11:39:15] <jhammel> drozzy_: i'd advise trying the plugin, getting it configured how you like, and see if it does what you want
[11:39:25] <drozzy_> thanks
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[11:41:21] <sdboyer> anybody gotten the xmlrpc plugin fully working over mod_wsgi? tryin to connect via mylyn, and it accepts anon access just fine, but refuses attempts to actually log in as a user
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[11:55:15] <drozzy_> Is there any way to restrict access to a particular Component (project) for users without plugins...
[11:55:38] <drozzy_> I am just trying to wrap my head around trac.. is it single project based.. or can it do multiple projects...
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[11:58:39] <jhammel> drozzy_: it can do multiple projects, but you'll need a plugin or other solution if you want to coordinate things like auth, etc
[11:59:03] <jhammel> drozzy_: for reasons just as the above, going components -> projects
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[11:59:13] <drozzy_> jhammel: i see... but it seems the private tickets plugin is something that sets the permission on a per-ticket level as opposed to per-project
[12:00:08] <jhammel> drozzy_: yes
[12:00:20] <jhammel> drozzy_: i'm trying to grok what you really want to do, and i'm not sure i get it
[12:01:09] <drozzy_> jhammel: Thanks, let me see if I can explain a little. I want to have clients to register on my support site. Then I will create a project for them. And I want the client to submit tickets only to their respective projects.
[12:01:20] <drozzy_> I.e. I do not want the clients to see each others tickets/projects.
[12:01:51] <drozzy_> I am not sure if I can "pair-up" the clients with their respective projects/modules in trac.
[12:02:21] <drozzy_> Is that clearer.. or :-(
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[12:05:33] <drozzy_> I am not sure if trac is the right solution. All I need is the "Customer help desk" type of system. I don't need SVN, wiki,eetc... But I use Python+Django so I thought I'll look into Trac
[12:07:53] <jhammel> drozzy_: so its one "project" (component, whatever) per client?
[12:08:42] <drozzy_> No can be more. Think ofa client who can have a website (for which he opens tickets) and say a software windows solution (for which he also opens tickets).
[12:09:24] <drozzy_> In face just found a similar ticket: http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/2068
[12:09:27] <drozzy_> fact*
[12:10:07] <jhammel> drozzy_: i don't know if you can make trac do that OOTB without some plugin-writin'
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[12:10:29] <jhammel> drozzy_: though maybe someone else here has had more experience with that sort of thing? (or there are the mailing lists)
[12:10:48] <macmaN6789> coderanger
[12:10:55] <macmaN6789> man alive?
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[12:19:39] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracWiki edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracWiki?version=19>
[12:21:48] <sdboyer> so...nobody's done the xmlrpc + mylyn + mod_wsgi thing, i take it? i was actually having what seemed like exactly the same problem on fcgi, too...anon worked, auth didn't
[12:21:57] <sdboyer> dunno if that widens the field enough to get a response :P
[12:22:15] <macmaN6789> ive xmlrpc auth running over modpython
[12:22:18] <macmaN6789> dunno about modwsgi
[12:22:32] <sdboyer> prolly pretty close, though
[12:22:43] <sdboyer> 0.11?
[12:22:58] <macmaN6789> 0.10.4 worked
[12:23:05] <macmaN6789> i just upgraded everything to 0.11
[12:23:10] <macmaN6789> and havent had a chance to test
[12:23:13] <sdboyer> ahh, ok
[12:23:26] <sdboyer> yeah, this is like _the last_ piece in this configuration i'm trying to get going, heh
[12:23:46] <sdboyer> you usin accountmanager + httpauthplugin?
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