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<asmodai> |
Morn Jonas |
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<jborg> |
morning |
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<asmodai> |
jborg: retracile, jborg, cmlenz, coderanger, aat, asmodai, cboos |
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<asmodai> |
jborg: did I forget someone? |
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<jborg> |
depends on what you're talking about :) |
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<asmodai> |
jborg: devs |
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<jborg> |
asmodai: don't forget osimons and thatch |
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<asmodai> |
Ah right |
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<asmodai> |
jborg: pacopablo isn't though, right? |
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<jborg> |
well, It's not like we have badges or anything :) |
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<asmodai> |
We should have! |
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<asmodai> |
:P |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7334 (tracmercurial problem) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7334#comment:7> || Ticket #7334 (tracmercurial problem) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7334#comment:5> || SeaChange/WhatUsersWant edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/WhatUsersWant?version=8> |
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<cheshai1> |
hi guys! how are ya doing? revision numbers apply to the *whole* repository, don't they? i'm almost sure about that. i'd just like to be confirmed that rev numbers do not apply separately to each root directory of my repo, but to the whole repo itself. am i right? |
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<br0kn> |
cheshai1: you are right |
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<br0kn> |
if you're talking about SVN, that is |
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<cheshai1> |
br0kn: thank you so much! |
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<cheshai1> |
br0kn: it was just a tremendous, subtle doubt :-) |
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<br0kn> |
:) |
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<kirean> |
search for "global revision numbers" on http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch02s03.html |
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<cheshai1> |
kirean: yes, i actually had done. the point is the sentence "Subversion's revision numbers apply to entire trees, not individual files." sounds a little bit ambiguous to a not native speaker. |
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<cheshai1> |
kirean: the doubt was that those "entire trees" could be project folders inside my repo. |
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<cheshai1> |
kirean: now i know that the whole repo is meant |
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<cheshai1> |
thanks |
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<cheshai1> |
another question: i did: "svn copy trunk tags/1.0". i thought the size of my repo wouldn't grow on my hd. "du" command tells me the contrary. |
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<cheshai1> |
the point is: |
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<cheshai1> |
what about my svn server? do data duplication is avoided there? |
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<cheshai1> |
is this copy done in a smart way on the server? |
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<cheshai1> |
i hope so, otherwise each new tag or branch will actually lead to a huge amount of data duplication... |
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<cheshai1> |
:-( |
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<kirean> |
cheshai1: that's really subversion questions |
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<kirean> |
try google |
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<kirean> |
example: http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/R_n_R/subversion.html |
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<kirean> |
"When you make a copy with SVN (via svn copy), SVN makes as light a copy as possible. For example, if you svn copy a directory, the you'll get a copy on your client side, but on the server, SVN will only store a delta, telling it that a copy has been made (I'm simplifying here). This is similar to what happens when you edit a file; just like CVS, the server only stores the differences between the two versions, not a whole new file." |
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<asmodai> |
Moin cmlenz |
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<cmlenz> |
moin |
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<cheshai1> |
kirean: yes, you are right. i read through the svn book and i found the right passage also there. i actually had already read it, but you know some doubts arise when you have to setup important stuff, anyway thanks for you patience |
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<osimons> |
hey cmlenz. just caught up on irc log and noticed your input on 18n and plugins. that is a major need in my book too - do you have any good ideas? |
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<osimons> |
- and good morning to all, of course. |
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<cmlenz> |
morning osimons |
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<cmlenz> |
I'm still undecided, as I said there are basically two options: use a separate message domain per plugin (trac.po, trac_acctmgr.po, etc), or use msgctxt |
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<cmlenz> |
msgctxt: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Ambiguities |
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<cmlenz> |
msgctxt seems to be a relatively young addition to the gettext family, though |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz / coderanger_ / jborg / osimons / aat: sent |
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<cmlenz> |
multiple domains would require more catalog loading intelligence |
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<cmlenz> |
trac would need to be able to locate the catalogs in the plugin resources based on the domain name, for example |
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<asmodai> |
jborg: I think I managed to keep it concise and to the point. |
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<cmlenz> |
with msgctxt there'd be just one domain (e.g. trac.po), and messages can optionally be isolated to a specific plugin context |
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<cmlenz> |
the various different physical catalog files would get merged into one larger data structure at runtime |
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<osimons> |
both would enable both plugin strings and language packs for cross-domain contributions? |
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<cmlenz> |
language packs are orthogonal, but I suspect they may be a side effect of the catalog discovery logic required for multiple domains |
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<cmlenz> |
http://babel.edgewall.org/ticket/111 |
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<osimons> |
cmlenz: ok. counting on you :-) |
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<cmlenz> |
hah :P |
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<cmlenz> |
what exactly do you see as a major need? |
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<osimons> |
cmlenz: not sure. mostly because i'm clueless as to how best to approach this for my plugins. feel there should be some apis and included tools to i18n-enable a plugin... perhaps it is my lack of understanding, or docs i've missed |
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<asmodai> |
the APIs are Babel's. |
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<asmodai> |
And Babel already supports extraction |
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<asmodai> |
I think there's 3, 4 steps to localize a plugin |
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<cmlenz> |
extraction is not the problem |
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<cmlenz> |
the problem is that trac.util.translation loads a single messages.po catalog from a hardcoded location, all functions in the gettext() family look at that catalog… so really there's no way for plugins to add their own message strings and translations unless they avoid trac.util.translation and implement their own translation layer |
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<cmlenz> |
ugh, StackOverflow on trac.dev thread :P |
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<aat> |
hehe |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: hence my email ;) |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: ah right, the context thing |
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<rockingturtle> |
hey guys. |
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<rockingturtle> |
I am going to demo trac to some of my company members today.. so that we can adopt it internally. |
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<rockingturtle> |
are there any gud demo tac wiki's or projects? |
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<rockingturtle> |
which I show? |
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<asmodai> |
dependson what you're looking for |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7240]: Fix a version comparison from 2180 to 2210. Closes: #7333 <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7240> |
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<cmlenz> |
i.e. good deployments used in production, or a sandbox you can mess around with |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: Genshi-0.5-1.i386.rpm :) |
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<rockingturtle> |
good deployments used in production..I have already setup the internal accounts and 1-2 dummy accounts |
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<rockingturtle> |
so people can learn around there. |
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<asmodai> |
Well, trac.edgewall.org uses Trac itself, of course. www.pocoo.org - those project all use Trac, www.sqlalchemy.org uses Trac (see wiki and bugs) |
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<rockingturtle> |
but I need a gud example of using trac .. which can work as an example.. |
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<cmlenz> |
Django: http://code.djangoproject.com/ |
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<cmlenz> |
Pocoo: http://dev.pocoo.org/projects/werkzeug/ |
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<cmlenz> |
Colloquy: http://colloquy.info/project |
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<cmlenz> |
Apple: http://trac.calendarserver.org/ |
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<cmlenz> |
Reddit: http://code.reddit.com/ |
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<cmlenz> |
etc etc :P |
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<asmodai> |
wow |
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<asmodai> |
Nokia to acquire Symbian Limited to enable evolution of the leading open mobile platform |
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<asmodai> |
http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1230415 |
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<asmodai> |
Feels like a step against Android |
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<mitsuhiko> |
go nokia go! |
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<asmodai> |
mitsuhiko: it's interesting yea |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: SeaChange/WhatUsersWant edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/WhatUsersWant?version=9> || Ticket #7372 ([File sharing] User can't login) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7372> |
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<Larson> |
I just upgraded from rc1 to 11 final. Now I suddenly get: Permission denied: '/var/www/.python-eggs . Is this caused by something that changed between the releases? or is there a config error I have failed to see? |
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<osimons> |
Larson: nope changes because the user that runs the process does not have write permission to whereever it tries to unzip the python eggs |
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<coderanger_> |
Larson: Do you have genshi installed as a zipped egg |
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<coderanger_> |
also, what frontend are you using |
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<osimons> |
Larson: either 1) install with --always-unip option to unpack to directory on install, or 2) use PYTHON_EGG_CACHE environment variable to point to a directory where you/frontend process user has write access |
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<Larson> |
osimons: I'm using apache |
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<Larson> |
on ubuntu, no idea how genshi is installed.. can I check that? |
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<Larson> |
I installed from source |
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<coderanger_> |
Then it is |
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<coderanger_> |
please try reinstalling genshi using the --always-unzip option |
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<Larson> |
let me see, genshi came as part of trac didn't it? Is there a separate install for that? |
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<coderanger_> |
Larson: It is a separate install, setuptools just installs it automatically if not present |
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<cmlenz> |
so when coderanger says "please read my blog post", exactly which blog and post is he referring to? |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: he has a blog? |
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<orkam_wrk> |
Q: I have installed the graphviz plugin - without any errors. But: {{{ #!graphviz [...] }}} in the wiki is displayed as text. No 'Failed to load processor' error, nothing in trac.log, nothing in the apache logs. {{{ #!noprocessor }}} does produce an error though. Does anyone know what i did wrong, or what else I could do to find the error? |
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<Larson> |
coderanger: thanks, that seems to have done the trick even though I got a few internal server errors (in the log: ZipImportError: bad local file header in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Genshi-0.5-py2.5-linux-i686.egg, referer: https://XXXXXXXX/trac/admin/ticket/resolution) that disappeared on page reload |
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<cmlenz> |
asmodai: well, that kinda was my question :P |
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<asmodai> |
cmlenz: I wouldn't know where actually |
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<orkam_wrk> |
Can macros be nested? If Yes, how? Example (not showing expected behaviour: [query:?status=closed&group=status&milestone=Test Closed: [[TicketQuery(milestone=Test,status=closed,count)]]] |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7374 (smart searching in cc (find "foo" in cc, but not "xfoo")) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7374> || Ticket #7373 (Dch) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7373> |
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<cmlenz> |
orkam_wrk: no, and that example actually puts a macro in a trac link, not inside another macro… AND, what on earth would you expect that to do? :P |
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<cmlenz> |
coderanger_: so I was wondering, where's your blog again? |
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<orkam_wrk> |
I'd ecpect to have get the count of closed tickets as a (trac) link. How could this be done? |
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<cmlenz> |
orkam_wrk: and then? the count is in the name of the milestone or what? |
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<cmlenz> |
oh wait |
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<cmlenz> |
you want that to the title of the link |
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<orkam_wrk> |
I't like to hve something like: 'Open Tickets: 5' as a link to that query |
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<cmlenz> |
yeah I don't think that can be done |
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<orkam_wrk> |
k, zthx |
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<lurch> |
hi there ! can someone help me with a little macro development ? Im writing a little thingy that inserts links to api documentation. the static html files are located in the htdoc directory of the trac environment. i am not familiar with the trac environment. how can i get the url to tht directory ? |
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<andrei2102> |
orkam_wrk: http://code.optaros.com/trac/oforge/wiki/Dashboard |
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<andrei2102> |
orkam_wrk: new macros |
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<redir> |
perhaps a silly question but I don't see anything in google or on the edgewall site. Has anyone tried svn 1.5 with trac? |
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<jdolan_> |
i find it incredibly amusing that i didn't know about the Dashboard until now, andrei2102 |
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<jdolan_> |
(i work at Optaros, in fact i sit about 8ft from doki_pen :)) |
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<cheshai1> |
hi guys! does anybody here know if i can use the ReportPluginPatch against 0.11 trac source? |
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<cheshai1> |
i'm afraid i can't... sounds weird anyway there's not such a thing for 0.11. maybe there's no need of it in 0.11? |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #2635 (wiki link to go to wiki differences) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2635#comment:17> |
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<andrei2102> |
jdolan_: it's a new plugin |
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<andrei2102> |
jdolan_: it's still in development |
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<doki_pen> |
what? I heard my name |
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<doki_pen> |
jdolan_: how did you hear about it? it's top secret |
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<doki_pen> |
oh, apparently andrei2102 is trying to find someone to help him do his work ;) |
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<doki_pen> |
looks awesome andrei2102 |
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<andrei2102> |
doki_pen: 10x |
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<doki_pen> |
rcorsaro better get to work |
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<andrei2102> |
doki_pen: you better |
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<jdolan_> |
doki_pen, i'm disappointed in your lack of commits on libhworld as well. |
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<doki_pen> |
ouch! |
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<orkam_wrk> |
Hey, thanks a lot andrei2102, I'll have a look at that - later today or tommorrow |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7376 (SQL Queries) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7376> || Ticket #7375 (SQL Queries) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7375> |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: heya dude |
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<asmodai> |
coderanger__ / jborg: did trac-admin deploy even get documented in the install docs? |
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<asmodai> |
(or upgrade) |
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<retracile> |
hey asmodai :) |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: Awake? :D |
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<retracile> |
more-r-less. *gulp* *crush* *grabs 2nd can of Dew* |
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<asmodai> |
heh |
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<retracile> |
say one topic I haven't seen for development is testing... |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: Sorry, for me that's implied. |
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<retracile> |
yeah, it should be implied... but based on what I found in trying to get the test coverage increased... uh... we may have to address it more explicitly. |
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<asmodai> |
but that's more of a note with every milestone rather than a milestone by itself? |
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<martina> |
hola |
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<martina> |
holas |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: That ought to be ok to keep it in focus? |
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<martina> |
habla po fa |
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<martina> |
habla por favor |
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<retracile> |
asmodai: yeah, it needs to be an on-going effort. I'm hoping I can get the coverage under trac/ticket into the 90s or something, then start pushing others to do the same for other sections. |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: normal or functional testing? |
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<martina> |
hola adambm |
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<martina> |
habla espa�por favor |
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<asmodai> |
solo un poco |
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<retracile> |
asmodai: whichever. I've been focused on the 'functional' testing because it gives the the most coverage for the fewest tests. |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: bigger codepaths to step through, makes sense. |
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<martina> |
que sabes decir |
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<retracile> |
asmodai: the tradeoff is that you don't immediately know what broke, unlike well-written unittests. |
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<asmodai> |
martina: Cual es el problema? |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: That's true too. |
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<retracile> |
asmodai: but I think a thin layer of mediocre testcases across the whole project is much better than only one section fully unittested. And the level of effort will favor the thin layer even then, I think. |
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<retracile> |
thatch has talked about graphing the coverage over time, which I think is a really good idea. But I haven't had a chance to look into that. |
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<asmodai> |
retracile: bitten can't do that? *gasp* ;) |
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<retracile> |
asmodai: heh. Actually, I haven't looked. |
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<thatch> |
I heard my name! |
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<thatch> |
retracile: the first step is making an automatic report with coverage, then I can graph that |
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<thatch> |
and I've been short of time the last few weeks with the move |
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<retracile> |
thatch: excuses, excuses. ;P I had company the past 2 weeks, so I understand. |
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<pacopablo> |
cmlenz: I think he's referring to this: http://coderanger.livejournal.com/23087.html |
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<pacopablo> |
morning all |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: test.3.txt attached to SandBox <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/SandBox/test.3.txt> |
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<coderanger__> |
cmlenz: Yeah, what paco said. One of these days I will get around to deploying a blog on coderanger.net. Maybe once TextPress stabilizes a bit |
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<pacopablo> |
coderanger__: what? no FullBlogPlugin ? ;) |
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<retracile> |
hehe :) |
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<coderanger__> |
pacopablo: making Trac pretty takes work :P |
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<pacopablo> |
bah, who cares about pretty? |
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<pacopablo> |
functional!!!! |
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<pacopablo> |
hehe |
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<coderanger__> |
retracile: hey! i like those colors :) |
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<retracile> |
coderanger__: Heh. The post titles are reallllly hard to read.... |
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<coderanger__> |
true |
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<coderanger__> |
okay, time for lunch |
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<coderanger__> |
laters |
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<pacopablo> |
lunch? |
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<pacopablo> |
are you still on the west coast? |
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<coderanger__> |
pacopablo: back in UTC-4 for 2 weeks |
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<pacopablo> |
ahh |
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<coderanger__> |
teaching a "how to make video games" summer camp |
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<pacopablo> |
was a bit confused as I only ate breakfast a little over an hour ago ;) |
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<cheshai1> |
hi guys, do you think i can find rpm packages for 0.11 out there, or i'd better to install from source? |
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<pacopablo> |
cheshai1: I find it easy enough to install from source |
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<coderanger__> |
pacopablo: normally I wouldn't even be awake yet |
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<retracile> |
cheshai1: 3rd option: python setup.py bdist_rpm |
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<pacopablo> |
cheshai1: but then I don't use rpm based distros, either |
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<retracile> |
cheshai1: btw, which distro are you using? |
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<thatch> |
retracile: you mean contrib/rpc/makerpm, don't you? |
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<cheshai1> |
pacopablo: sure, it's very easy, it was just a matter of keep control over files in my filesystem (but i guess that is very easy to keep track of where things are put by the python install script) |
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<coderanger__> |
cheshai1: Everything ends up in a single egg folder |
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<retracile> |
thatch: yeah, that too. |
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<thatch> |
retracile: makerpm is less buggy when certain *cough* rpm packages are around. |
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<cheshai1> |
retracile: i am a debian user, but at the moment i have to work on fedora |
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<retracile> |
cheshai1: then use contrib/rpm/makerpm to build an rpm package to install. |
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<cheshai1> |
retracile: nice |
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<cheshai1> |
retracile: very useful tip |
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<cheshai1> |
thanks to all of you |
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<retracile> |
cheshai1: thank thatch for reminding me :) |
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<evil_twin> |
New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7376 (SQL Queries) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7376#comment:1> |
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<cheshai1> |
./contrib/rpm/makerpm worked greatly! you guys really rule :-) |
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<ethanm> |
can i include .cs files in a genshi templae? |
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<ethanm> |
template* |
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<ethanm> |
or what is the standard way to include headers and footers now? |
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<thatch> |
@wiki TracInterfaceCustomization |
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<evil_twin> |
thatch: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization |
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<tthurman> |
Hello. I installed the timing and estimation plugin, and it added some reports, but they fail with errors like: "Dynamic variable '$NEW' not defined". What am I doing wrong? |
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<cheshai1> |
sorry to bother you again: trac-admin complains my Genshi is too old (0.5 needed). So i ran easy_install against Genshi-0.5-py2.5-linux-i686.egg. no errors. nothing appears in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ though... any hints? |
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<ethanm> |
thatch: thanks |
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<tthurman> |
It appears that the dynamic variable thing is not used in the standard reports; I've been trying to trace it through and see where the values should come from. They are populated at one point from the GET parameters, but I can't imagine that that's the _only_ place they come from. |
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<retracile> |
tthurman: I think $USER is the only "magic" one; the others, as I understand it, are populated from the URL args. |
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<cheshai1> |
fyi: egg installation didn't work (i am afraid my setuptools is not updated...). i downloaded genshi sources and succesfully installed with setup.py |
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<mintsauce> |
i need to add a directory or location path to enable ssl to Trac - where exactly does trac serve web pages from? |
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<pacopablo> |
osimons: Do you go by "Odd" or "Simon" ? |
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