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June 28, 2008

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[01:45:04] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7266]: trunk: Merged [7265] via svnmerge from [source:/branches/0.11-stable]. * ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7266> || Changeset [7265]: 0.11-stable: Groups can potentially contain permissions for ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7265>
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[03:44:03] <tinh> hello everyone, is the Xmlrpc work on 0.11?
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[03:59:41] <asmodai> tinh: think so
[04:00:05] <tinh> asmodai, just update the TracXMLRpc to 1.0 :)
[04:00:28] <tinh> asmodai, when will the 0.12 release?
[04:00:47] <tinh> I just want to know to arrange my time for the Vietnamese localization
[04:00:52] <tinh> ;)
[04:04:28] <asmodai> tinh: think less than 6 months
[04:04:43] <tinh> another 6 months?
[04:05:40] <asmodai> less than 6 months
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[05:03:46] <asmodai> osimons: oi
[05:03:56] <osimons> oi asmodai
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[05:16:32] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7267]: Rewrite the display logic in order to properly support translation. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7267>
[05:16:50] <asmodai> osimons: there's your fix
[05:25:42] <asmodai> osimons: apparently I discovered a genshi bug
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[05:33:05] <osimons> asmodai: goodie - one string down :-)
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[05:33:11] <osimons> well done. looks good.
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[05:38:20] <asmodai> Now for the repo churn.
[05:39:30] * asmodai is sure to get comments again
[05:41:46] <asmodai> osimons: Then again, I don't care! Wooo. :D Someone needs to do the bloody work.
[05:45:05] <osimons> someone needs to know how :-)
[05:46:10] <osimons> docs and cookbook, and call for help by translators - it is they who can point to a) missing strings, and b) bad contructs. and, patches welcome :-)
[05:46:41] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/Proposals/NewHelp edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/Proposals/NewHelp?version=6> || Changeset [7269]: Change ressource to resource in order to fix the substitution name. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7269> || Changeset [7268]: Regenerate. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7268>
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[05:54:36] <osimons> asmodai: this is surely no longer an issue? http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6765 - i switch as i please in trunk now. something still missing?
[05:55:19] * asmodai scratches his head
[05:57:34] <asmodai> there was something
[05:58:23] <asmodai> I need to fix that description in the prefs
[05:59:15] <asmodai> At least the default language defaults to the browser's language negotiation
[06:04:36] <asmodai> osimons: how does this sound: <p class="hint">The 'default language' option uses the browser's language negotiation feature to select the appropriate language.</p>
[06:06:23] <osimons> goodie.
[06:08:12] <asmodai> osimons: understandable enough
[06:08:13] <asmodai> ?
[06:12:54] <asmodai> osimons: closed 6765
[06:16:53] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7272]: Clarify what 'default language' does. Get rid of the example, since it ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7272> || Ticket #6765 (Make language select a preference choice) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6765#comment:11> || Changeset [7271]: Fix keyword substitute in msgstr by providing the correct type. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7271> || Changeset [7270]: Fix keyword substitution by providing the appropriate type. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7270>
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[06:46:12] <enobrev> having a bit of trouble getting trac-bzr working on win32. i can import tracbzr fine in the python console. i've added the [components] section to the ini with "tracbzr.* = enabled" I've set my repo type to "bzr", but I'm still getting 'Unsupported version control system "bzr"'. Anyone familiar?
[06:47:05] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7388 ([./MissingPage] link shows as available) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7388> || Changeset [7273]: Regenerate to catch the keyword substitution and some small other ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7273>
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[07:24:07] <KaZeR> i have a little issue with ticketdelete.egg
[07:24:21] <KaZeR> i built the egg. then i want to install it using web admin interface
[07:24:26] <KaZeR> but i get : Plugin ticketdelete.egg already installed
[07:24:38] <KaZeR> only, if i go in admin / plugins, it's not listed...
[07:24:41] <KaZeR> can anyone help?
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[07:37:40] <enobrev> having a bit of trouble getting trac-bzr working on win32. i can import tracbzr fine in the python console. i've added the [components] section to the ini with "tracbzr.* = enabled" I've set my repo type to "bzr", but I'm still getting 'Unsupported version control system "bzr"'. Anyone familiar?
[07:38:03] <AnMaster> hi, after I upgraded to trac 0.11 I get this error:
[07:38:05] <AnMaster> "AttributeError: Cannot find an implementation of the "IRequestHandler" interface named "WikiModule". Please update the option trac.default_handler in trac.ini."
[07:38:15] <AnMaster> I got no idea what to set instead?
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[08:17:46] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #3821 (problem with login and mod_python) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/3821#comment:16>
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[09:10:34] <osimons> AnMaster: did you figure it out?
[09:11:17] <AnMaster> osimons, well it was related to tractag plugin that didn't work with 0.11
[09:11:59] <AnMaster> now I got an issue, where do I put stuff I want on bug report page in new trac?
[09:12:01] <AnMaster> osimons, ^
[09:12:29] <AnMaster> as in "please read blah blah before reporting a bug"
[09:12:34] <AnMaster> I had it working on 0.10
[09:12:57] <osimons> AnMaster: you upgraded tags and got it working?
[09:13:04] <AnMaster> osimons, I droped tags
[09:13:06] <AnMaster> for now
[09:13:29] <osimons> AnMaster: tags works fine for 0.11 - non-obtrusive and much improved
[09:13:46] <osimons> (just get it from svn at trac-hacks.org)
[09:14:59] <osimons> AnMaster: anyway, new ticket text - glad you asked :-) i have already put up some text about that with a neat trick that I use for my own setup - see http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization#SiteAppearance
[09:15:32] <osimons> notice the section a bit down under that heading: "If the environment is upgraded from 0.10 and a site_newticket.cs file already exists, it can actually be ....."
[09:16:27] <AnMaster> hm useful
[09:16:29] <AnMaster> thanks
[09:17:13] <osimons> AnMaster: no probs. get to know the site.html and the coold things you can do with py:match to change many more things about appearance
[09:17:27] <AnMaster> just I don't know python
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[09:18:31] <AnMaster> osimons, one great thing however: trac-bzr works better than before
[09:18:41] <AnMaster> anyway what about ticket dependencies?
[09:18:47] <AnMaster> is that still not in trac?
[09:19:11] <AnMaster> and if it isn't what is the plugin for it? the plugin in question seems to break with 0.11 (masterticket)
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[09:48:24] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracOnUbuntuHardy edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnUbuntuHardy?version=5>
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[10:33:57] <j_baker> Dumb question: Is there any way to change what URI trac uses to access static content?
[10:38:06] <jborg> j_baker: just set the htdocs_location option in the [trac] secion in trac.ini
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[10:48:50] <osimons> hi jborg
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[10:55:34] <gass> hello there
[10:55:36] <gass> i am updating the debian version of trac
[10:55:55] <gass> can you please tell me if the jquery.js is any different from th upstream one?
[10:56:52] <gass> that is, can i use the original jquery file instead of the one shipped with trac?
[11:00:10] <j_baker> thanks jborg
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[11:21:35] <jborg> hey osimons
[11:22:35] <jborg> gass: It's not modified as far as I know, but it's not the latest version.
[11:22:55] <gass> jborg, it is the same version in debian, i checked, thanks
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[11:35:18] <j_baker> So I saw the wiki page on getting trac to work with wsgi, and it uses os.environ['TRAC_ENV']. If I don't know the trac environment location until runtime, that doesn't seem very thread safe. Is there another way to do this?
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[11:57:05] <jborg> j_baker: Well, trac actually reads that setting from the wsgi environment and not os.environ. But some wsgi servers such as modwsgi bases its environ on os.environ. So it should be "thread safe"
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[11:57:57] <jborg> But to set TRAC_ENV dynamically per request you probably need to write a tiny wsgiapp that sets environ['TRAC_ENV']
[11:59:16] <jborg> sorry, it's called 'trac.env_path' in the wsgi environment
[11:59:36] <j_baker_> Ah, I see. That helps.
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[12:05:37] <j_baker_> sorry jborg, I've been having problems with staying connected to freenode. What was the wsgi environment variable again (and is it in the wiki for future reference?)
[12:06:30] <j_baker_> Actually, just found it in the logs, so never mind. :)
[12:06:57] <jborg> There's also an example of what you want to do here (about half way down): http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithTrac
[12:07:50] <jborg> This one: http://pastebin.com/m361a01c1
[12:09:17] <j_baker_> Awesome, that's what I was looking for.
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[12:17:00] <dunkert`> pacopablo: ping
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[12:44:41] <qwp0> hello, is there any way how to hide ticket fields in version 0.11 and greater?
[12:45:05] <qwp0> hidevals and simpleticket plugins seem to be for 0.10 only
[12:58:48] <lisppaste5> bpat1434 pasted "Error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62948
[12:58:54] <bpat1434> Hi all. I'm getting an interesting error, not sure why. I see the above paste...
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[13:05:32] <bpat1434> nvm.... upgraded AccountManagerPlugin and it fixed it
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[13:15:13] <osimons> jborg, noticed htdocs_location mentioned earlier. too bad that it only translates chome/common - with new 'deploy' that extracts trac + plugins at chrome level, it should be a shortcut to /chrome instead. things like theme plugins and wysiwyg is what adds to the weight of pages...
[13:18:40] <jborg> osimons: yeah that's unfortunate. I wonder how many installations we would break if this was changed.
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[13:19:19] * osimons wonder about that too
[13:19:21] <jborg> An alternative would be to introduce a new option (lchrome_location perhaps) that works the way you explained
[13:21:01] <osimons> jborg: yeah. perhaps. could work, but for 0.12 i say we break it early - and it will be ready by release...
[13:21:22] <osimons> as it is the same thing and same purpose, there should really just be one way
[13:21:40] <osimons> - like an add_chrome()?
[13:21:59] <osimons> not quite the same, though :-)
[13:22:50] <jborg> I'm not sure I follow you.
[13:22:52] <osimons> but really, it should point to the level of /chrome, so if we do chrome_location, we could pop out htdocs_location
[13:23:25] <osimons> remove it, or for 0.12 just translate it to chrome_location + /common
[13:24:16] <jborg> yeah, a single option would be best
[13:25:07] <osimons> and the deploy strategy is the right one - pull it out and make a chrome directory with everything
[13:26:07] <osimons> that though has one deficiency: it also pulls out 'site' - which is ok if you have one project, but not ok if you have more than one
[13:28:48] <osimons> jborg: i have hundreds of sites - can't cram all the site chrome into one folder.... don't want to, and can't because it is hosted and the project htdocs belongs to the customer to manage.
[13:30:30] <jborg> yeah, that's unfortunate. We probably have to exclude that directory
[13:31:24] <jborg> It shouldn't be a big deal since the site usage is optional anyway.
[13:31:33] * asmodai waves
[13:31:37] <osimons> jupp. use mod_rewrite hackery today to point to files on disk instead of trac behind the scenes, but i have to exclude 'site' in chrome calls
[13:32:11] <jborg> hey asmodai
[13:32:19] <osimons> jborg: yeah. 'site' is a bit different, and commonly not used in trac source and plugins
[13:32:30] <osimons> god kveld, asmodai
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[13:34:25] <osimons> jborg, did some ticket work earlier today, and got to think about having 'proposal' milestones that cboos suggested a few months back
[13:35:37] <osimons> so that i could pick out the newhelp tickets into a newhelp milestone, and for instance asmodai could manage all his i18n work for 0.12 under one milestone - then we delete the milestone when work is finished and move tickets into the actual milestone.
[13:37:12] <osimons> ie. manage larger features like upcoming users, notification and such as its own milestones - which makes more sense than the more or less arbitrary future scheduling we do now.
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[13:43:33] <jborg> What would the advantages be compared to simply using the query engine and components?
[13:44:03] <jborg> Like "Show all open tickets on the i18n component" or "Show all open i18n tickets"
[13:44:33] * asmodai fixes up i18n/l10n stuff
[13:44:54] <c1|freaky> if i install trac for the first time. how can i get access to the admin panel the easiest way? and can i use apache2 mod-mysql-auth with trac?
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[13:47:47] <osimons> jborg: that way you could also track progress towards a feature, and close tickets as you go - no?
[13:48:47] <osimons> complete the milestone => open tickets gets put to 0.1.x something. then delete it and move all closed ticket to the actual release milestone.
[13:49:48] <osimons> anyway - no big deal.
[13:49:53] <jborg> yeah, but the downside is that the main release milestone will no longer show any progress until the feature milestone is completed.
[13:50:16] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracOnUbuntu edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnUbuntu?version=70> || TracOnUbuntuHardy edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnUbuntuHardy?version=7> || 0.10.4/TracOnUbuntuHardy created <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/0.10.4/TracOnUbuntuHardy?version=1> || TracOnUbuntuHardy edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnUbuntuHardy?version=6>
[13:50:56] <asmodai> *bewm*
[13:51:14] <asmodai> osimons: more l10n fun for you! :D
[13:51:36] <osimons> asmodai: no way.
[13:51:59] <asmodai> osimons: yes way :D
[13:52:04] <osimons> puh.
[13:52:26] * asmodai just fixed up some stuff
[13:53:00] <asmodai> http://babel.edgewall.org/ticket/120
[13:53:04] <asmodai> and running with that
[13:53:58] <jborg> asmodai: what did you do, I tried to look at the r7274 changeset but t.e.o timed out :)
[13:54:57] <osimons> jborg - likely 15000 lines of changes as asmodai has updated one string and regenerated all i18n....
[13:55:32] <gass> trac needs genshi 0.5?
[13:55:42] <osimons> 0.11 does, yes
[13:55:56] * asmodai cocks the shotgun and takes aim at osimons
[13:56:10] <asmodai> jborg: Update of all catalogs + various fixes
[13:56:18] <asmodai> jborg: and proper plural msgstrs
[13:56:19] <jborg> osimons: yeah the page finally loaded. Like 100000 line number changes :)
[13:56:33] <asmodai> Be thankful I did all in one commit.
[13:56:36] <osimons> hah. told you.
[13:56:39] <asmodai> Whiners.
[13:57:14] * retracile whines just because
[13:57:26] <gass> osimons, thanks
[13:57:27] <asmodai> retracile: That's ok, I can just ignore that. :)
[13:57:39] <retracile> asmodai: hehe :)
[13:57:42] <asmodai> And this is why I would not want the po files to be taken from the core repo.
[13:57:55] <asmodai> I would never have captured a few of these things, some small bugs in Babel.
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[14:02:04] <c1|freaky> trac says Authentication information not available. Please refer to the installation documentation. what have i missed?
[14:02:10] <c1|freaky> or what have i done wrong?
[14:02:23] <osimons> missed the installation documentation, perhaps? :-)
[14:02:50] <c1|freaky> i dont know what ive done wrong :(
[14:03:06] <c1|freaky> i have set up a svn vhost with mod-mysql-auth
[14:03:16] <osimons> c1|freaky: trac reads it from the web server, so it depends on you web server challenging for password at the needed url (/login) to make sure a username is there to be read.
[14:04:32] <jborg> c1|freaky: Can you pastebin your apache config?
[14:04:39] <c1|freaky> one moment
[14:04:48] <c1|freaky> where to?=
[14:04:58] <osimons> @paste
[14:04:58] <jborg> @pastebin
[14:04:58] <evil_twin> osimons: "paste" is http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac
[14:04:59] <evil_twin> jborg: "pastebin" is http://paste.lisp.org/new/trac
[14:05:03] <osimons> hehe
[14:05:04] <jborg> hehe
[14:05:09] <osimons> no way!
[14:05:24] <jborg> ok, I'll shut up now :)
[14:05:45] <osimons> that was a scary sequence, jborg.
[14:06:33] <lisppaste5> freaky pasted "apache config" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/62949
[14:06:43] <c1|freaky> there :
[14:06:44] <c1|freaky> D
[14:07:26] <c1|freaky> it doesnt ask me for a login i restarted apache the database im using for that is set up
[14:07:46] <osimons> c1|freaky: you need a 'require valid user' to have apache make the challenge, I think
[14:08:03] <osimons> @wiki TracInstall
[14:08:04] <evil_twin> osimons: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInstall
[14:08:37] <osimons> nah. some other one. hang on
[14:09:12] <osimons> c1|freaky: yeah, add as last directive in your login location section: Require valid-user
[14:09:17] <c1|freaky> ok, how do i give myself admin privs?
[14:09:26] <c1|freaky> i chose require group ;D
[14:09:33] <osimons> ah
[14:10:12] <jborg> c1|freaky "trac-admin /home/team-box/trac/aa-tcl permission add yourusername TRAC_ADMIN"
[14:10:13] <osimons> trac-admin /path/to/env permission add your-login TRAC_ADMIN
[14:10:25] <osimons> jborg: i do not believe this.
[14:10:28] <osimons> far out.
[14:10:47] <jborg> hehe, we scandinavians think alike ;)
[14:11:00] <c1|freaky> thank you very much :D
[14:11:30] * osimons will be back in 10
[14:20:27] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7274]: Update all PO files. Fix up various small problems. Introduce correct ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7274>
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[14:47:00] <gass> can nyone confirm me that trac 0.11 install the htdocs dir into python-support instead of /usr/share?
[14:48:10] <coderanger_> It installs them nowhere
[14:48:17] <coderanger_> they are bundled inside the egg itself
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[14:48:31] <coderanger_> by default Trac will serve its own static content
[14:48:51] <coderanger_> if you need to run a high-volume site, you can use trac-admin deploy to build a folder containing all the static assets
[14:49:44] <gass> coderanger_, i am packaging it into debian ... and this is bad ... it should go into /usr/share and not into python
[14:49:48] <gass> dir
[14:50:02] <coderanger_> gass: No, it shouldn't
[14:50:13] <coderanger_> That would violate the packaging semantics of setuptools' eggs
[14:50:23] <gass> coderanger_, but it is doing that
[14:50:41] <coderanger_> The htdocs files end up in the egg folder, along with the modules and templates
[14:50:41] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7351 (Renaming a milestone to a name that was already given to another milestone ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7351#comment:3>
[14:50:49] <coderanger_> all just in a single package
[14:51:26] <coderanger_> because of how setuptools works this allows for nice things like single-file installs and installing multiple versions on a system at the same time
[14:52:12] <coderanger_> gass: AFAIK debian installs most things in the externally managed mode, which will no longer work well with Trac
[14:52:32] <coderanger_> especially for its dependencies (genshi, pygments)
[14:53:40] <gass> it is all related
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[15:40:34] <coderanger_> gass: In general it would help if debian stopped changing the way python packages are installed and used the normal format
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[17:24:45] <gass> coderanger_, nothing to do there
[17:24:49] <gass> not my cll
[17:24:51] <gass> call*
[17:25:05] <gass> coderanger_, how are they install them?
[17:25:12] <coderanger_> hmm?
[17:25:23] <gass> <coderanger_> gass: In general it would help if debian stopped changing the way python packages are installed and used the normal format
[17:25:56] <gass> coderanger, i just need to re-place some directories out of the python dirs
[17:26:09] <coderanger_> gass: Install in the egg format, not in the single-version-externally-managed older style modules
[17:26:18] <coderanger_> gass: You aren't listening, that will not work
[17:26:23] <coderanger_> gass: It will break Trac
[17:26:48] <gass> will will it break trac?
[17:26:54] <coderanger_> gass: You cannot move the content elsewhere without making changes to the code
[17:27:12] <coderanger_> As I have been saying, we use the pkg_resources API to read the content files directly out of the egg
[17:27:14] <gass> so you hardcoded the pa