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July 01, 2008

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[00:16:23] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7354 (Unable to Edit or Delete an invalid tickets report) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7354#comment:3>
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[00:31:07] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: you got mail :)
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[00:33:59] <orkam_wrk> andrei2102, to avoid missunderstandings: Apart from doing the correct call and logging you want me to check out the most recent version of your plugin?
[00:34:36] <andrei2102> yes
[00:34:42] <orkam_wrk> ok
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[00:55:13] <orkam_wrk> andrei2102, here is the log: http://rafb.net/p/1tZbmr16.html. This is what the db says if i put in the query in the logs directly (with error message): http://rafb.net/p/QFDSyT61.html
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[01:01:19] <orkam_wrk> andrei2102, correction of error translation: ERROR: Column t.time has to show up in a GROUP-BY-Clause or to be used in a ?aggregate-function?
[01:03:52] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: interesting
[01:04:22] <orkam_wrk> If I could do anything else to help you debug, just let me know
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[01:23:29] <SwissKnife> Hello everyone!
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[02:05:04] <anebi> hi
[02:05:12] <anebi> can i ask for little bit help
[02:05:34] <anebi> i installed trac and i get this error when i loggin and click on timeline
[02:06:10] <lisppaste5> anebi pasted "Trac Errors" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/63073
[02:08:34] <anebi> and this is the error when i click on browse button
[02:09:08] <lisppaste5> anebi pasted "Error Trac" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/63074
[02:09:47] <anebi> what i do wrong and how can i solve these problems?
[02:25:26] <SwissKnife> I have very noobish question. I've downloaded VMWare inmage (Debian with Trac installed). Going to try Trac for our project. And the first questions is: How to add users to trac?
[02:26:07] <misc> using trac-admin or webadmin ?
[02:26:15] <SwissKnife> what extra information do I need to provide?
[02:26:19] <SwissKnife> trac-admin
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[02:27:14] <SwissKnife> I tried to do permissions add with trac-admin
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[02:27:38] <SwissKnife> but it's setting permissions, not adding user itself
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[03:38:59] <asmodai> oh, svn 1.5.0 release
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[04:16:07] <asmodai> mmm
[04:16:08] <asmodai> You can now have both RA DAV layers, only one (or neither?). If
[04:16:08] <asmodai> you've built both, put "http-library = serf" to your
[04:16:09] <asmodai> ~/.subversion/servers file to choose ra_serf at runtime.
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[04:48:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #4378 (MySQL structure case insensitive causes collision with file names) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4378#comment:18> || Changeset [7286]: 0.11-stable: Backported mysql unicode fix (r7222) from trunk. Closes ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7286>
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[05:18:28] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7397 (Too many attachments (directories) in ENV/attachments/ticket/[ID] folder) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7397>
[05:24:16] <teite> do i need subversion swig bindings for trac?
[05:28:07] <coderanger_> if you want to use the subversion support
[05:28:11] <coderanger_> otherwise no
[05:28:30] <teite> yes i would like to use that ;)
[05:28:31] <teite> damn
[05:28:47] <teite> this trac thingy is drivin' me nuts
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[05:32:47] <coderanger_> teite: Most OSs should have packaged versions
[05:33:26] <teite> not so sles10
[05:34:04] <teite> ok lets build swig and rebuild subversion then
[05:35:08] <coderanger_> you do not need to install SWIG
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[05:35:34] <coderanger_> SWIG itself is only needed to regenerate the bindings, not to compile them
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[05:40:08] <teite> i see
[05:41:36] <teite> any other suggestions on how to build subversion for trac?
[05:42:06] <teite> got --with-apxs --with-swig so far
[05:43:01] <teite> hmm maybe neon, whatever that is ;)
[05:48:40] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: MySqlDb edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/MySqlDb?version=23>
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[05:49:43] <osimons> jborg: 32765 tickets with attachements, eh?
[05:50:04] <jborg> yeah, I didn't think anyone was even close to that limit
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[05:53:04] <thm> hi! is someone using bitten here?
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[05:57:27] <teite> coderanger: if i wanna compile subversion with swig i do need to install swig first right?
[05:57:50] <teite> at least thats whats subversion INSTALL is saying
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[06:03:40] <thm> and more specific, why would Markup('some string') fail with a "LookupError: unknown encoding: build"
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[06:09:11] <teite^cursing> configure: WARNING: Detected SWIG version 1.3.36
[06:09:17] <teite^cursing> §$%§Q"%§"$%
[06:10:42] <coderanger_> teite^cursing: I am pretty sure I have seen subversion RPMs for sles
[06:10:53] <cmlenz> thm: use trunk :)
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[06:11:25] <cmlenz> (bitten trunk, that is)
[06:11:33] <cmlenz> to answer the "why", http://genshi.edgewall.org/wiki/Documentation/0.5.x/upgrade.html#markup-constructor
[06:13:09] <teite^cursing> try try try again
[06:14:25] <teite^cursing> coderanger_: well, lets see what happens now ;)
[06:14:37] <coderanger_> cmlenz: You're alive :)
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[06:15:55] <fluxdude> the other day I asked if anyone knows if it's possible to integrate Trac to use Active Directory authentication, but I forgot to stick around for a long time for a response, anyone know if this can be done (am using tracd not apache)
[06:16:00] <teite^cursing> building trac from souce really beats that good old mod_jk2 adventure ;)
[06:16:03] * cmlenz is fighting with IPermissionPolicy
[06:16:21] <cmlenz> teite^cursing: you're talking about svn
[06:16:35] <coderanger_> mitsuhiko: I may need to print out that whitespace example and keep it with me to ward off zealots
[06:16:36] <teite^cursing> well thats part of the journey
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[06:16:58] <coderanger_> fluxdude: Yes, you can use AccountManager + TracLDAPAuth
[06:17:10] <coderanger_> fluxdude: (assuming you have the legacy LDAP support enabled)
[06:17:44] <fluxdude> coderanger_: legacy? What is the new hotness then?
[06:17:56] <teite^cursing> checking for neon-config... no <<<--- could that be a problem for trac?
[06:18:15] <coderanger_> fluxdude: MS created their own weird hybrid of LDAP and Kerberos (and some other MS goo) which is the native auth layer of AD
[06:18:27] <coderanger_> fluxdude: But non-MS tools can't really interact with it
[06:18:36] <thm> cmlenz: is used http://svn.edgewall.org/repos/bitten/branches/experimental/trac-0.11
[06:18:42] <thm> s/is/I/
[06:18:45] <coderanger_> fluxdude: They provide LDAP as the "legacy" interface, meaning anything that isn't made by us
[06:19:36] <teite^cursing> coderanger_: any hint on neon? ;)
[06:19:48] <coderanger_> teite^cursing: Never tried to build it myself
[06:20:01] <fluxdude> coderanger_: the only thing I don't like about Ldap is the idea that creds are flying around unencrypted, hashes for all to steal etc.
[06:20:15] <teite^cursing> coderanger_: hmmkay
[06:20:17] <thm> cmlenz: and trunk is from 2007-08-03, so probably not 0.11-able
[06:20:26] <coderanger_> fluxdude: You can see if it supports SSL, I have no idea if AD does
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[06:20:33] <fluxdude> and adding ssl is rubbish I think, shouldn't be needed to do this, not to mention how to make client validate it...
[06:20:40] <coderanger_> fluxdude: It would be pretty easy to modify tracldapauth to support it
[06:20:58] <coderanger_> fluxdude: As I said, the real auth layer is MS proprietary
[06:21:27] <coderanger_> fluxdude: If you had used a normal kerberos server, no problem. You chose the MS lock-in :P
[06:21:34] <fluxdude> coderanger_: I take it then that Trac has no way to interact with Kerberos as the safer thing?
[06:22:00] <coderanger_> fluxdude: Look up TracPwauth
[06:22:06] <fluxdude> coderanger_: I've had linux work with kerberos in AD so if Trac can do Kerb then I think perhaps I can make that work...
[06:22:12] <fluxdude> coderanger_: ok thanks
[06:22:15] <cmlenz> thm: trunk is not that old, and it should work on 0.11
[06:22:21] <teite> coderanger_: you should try it one day, it's fun ;)
[06:22:28] <coderanger_> pwauth can use anything that linux can
[06:22:30] <cmlenz> thm: that branch needs to be updated
[06:22:34] <coderanger_> it just hooks in to PAM
[06:23:36] <thm> cmlenz: ok, so is the 0.11 branch valid at all anymore?
[06:23:49] <thm> or usefull
[06:23:53] <cmlenz> thm: it's experimental, and it needs to be updated
[06:23:54] <Rockj> If I have a multiple trac install, and I want to add a ticket type, is there any easy way to add global ticket types?
[06:23:58] <cmlenz> it's currently broken
[06:24:14] <coderanger_> Rockj: No
[06:24:33] <Rockj> so Ill have to use trac-admin and add them with ticket_type ..
[06:24:43] <Rockj> An easy shell script will have todo then.
[06:25:02] <cmlenz> coderanger_, aat: IPermissionPolicy confusion here… if I have a policy that's supposed to restrict ticket viewing (to e.g. TICKET_VIEW_INTERNAL) based on the value of a custom field, as soon as I grant the user generic TICKET_VIEW perms my policy isn't even invoked anymore… what's the right way to go about this?
[06:25:45] <coderanger_> cmlenz: You placed it before the others in the policy list, right?
[06:26:02] <cmlenz> no, why, DOH :P
[06:26:50] <coderanger_> cmlenz: They are order-sensitive, so it uses an OrderedExtensionList
[06:27:14] <cmlenz> yeah, kinda obvious :P
[06:28:24] <osimons> the first to return true or false gets the final say, right?
[06:28:43] <cmlenz> yeah, and my problem was that DefaultPermissionPolicy said True first
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[06:30:08] <asmodai> aat / coderanger_ : http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Lazureus
[06:30:13] <asmodai> he's good
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[06:31:21] <coderanger_> cmlenz: Writing an error-free policy turns out to be very tricky
[06:31:34] <coderanger_> gotta make sure you don't hit any infinite recursions, etc
[06:32:10] <cmlenz> yeah, hit those a couple times
[06:32:43] <coderanger_> cmlenz: A policy debugger is on my list for the TracDeveloper plugin
[06:32:55] <cmlenz> oh neat
[06:33:53] <cmlenz> coderanger_: so to hide my "internal only" checkbox from external users, ITemplateStreamFilter and ITicketManipulator, or… ?
[06:34:09] <cmlenz> feels strange to be asking those kind of questions :P
[06:34:39] <coderanger_> cmlenz: Easiest way is probably an IRequestFilter to hide it (remove it from the field structure) and an ITicketManipulator to be sure they don't try to change it
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[06:35:50] <coderanger_> ticket fields are still not terribly pluggable
[06:35:59] <coderanger_> probably something that should be investigated eventually
[06:36:03] <cmlenz> yeah
[06:36:19] <cmlenz> ITicketManip.prepare_ticket() :)
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[06:38:43] * coderanger_ needs to get back to writing new docs
[06:39:37] <thm> cmlenz: well, trunk doesn't work with 0.11. "AssertionError: HDF dataset not available. Check your clearsilver installation"
[06:42:36] <cmlenz> oh well, it works when you have clearsilver installed, of course :P
[06:44:35] <thm> hopefully the database layout is the same for both branches
[06:44:50] <cmlenz> thm: I'll look whether I can quickly port that change over
[06:44:52] <cmlenz> it is
[06:45:29] <thm> cmlenz: oh cool, thx!
[06:49:01] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7287]: 0.11-stable: Tag version as "stable" instead of "dev" since 0.11dev < 0.11 ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7287>
[06:51:13] <cmlenz> thm: done
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[06:52:57] <doki_pen> hi. is there a way to be notified of checkins on trac-hacks?
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[06:53:50] <doki_pen> is there an RSS feed or something?
[06:54:20] <cmlenz> sure, revision log rss feeds
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[06:55:01] <thm> cmlenz: seems to work. Any idea why setuptools thinks this is Bitten==0.6dev-r0 ?
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[06:55:32] <cmlenz> not really
[06:56:35] <thm> wonders of setuptools
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[06:57:54] <thm> unrelated question. in FF, the file lists for Changesets in the timelineview are indented strangely. each file is more indented then it's predeccessor...
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[06:59:22] <CrawfordComeaux> should I use trac's standalone server or something else?
[06:59:32] <CrawfordComeaux> web server, that is
[06:59:43] <thm> depends on the use case
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[07:01:20] <CrawfordComeaux> what are the reasons for using either?
[07:02:38] <thm> for a high performance deployment, use the webserver you are already confortable with. for plugin development, or prototype install, use tracd
[07:04:36] <CrawfordComeaux> ok thanks
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[07:06:44] <CrawfordComeaux> ?
[07:06:55] <thm> so, no one sees that stairway formatting in the timeline? it is only visible with [timeline].changeset_show_files > 1
[07:07:29] <CrawfordComeaux> does anyone recommend a specific web server for trac? better performance/experiences?
[07:08:02] <thm> CrawfordComeaux: people use all different sorts of webservers, so you will get probably as many answers as people
[07:08:04] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: can you get/deploy/run the plugin again
[07:08:09] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: ?
[07:08:12] <orkam_wrk> ok
[07:08:45] * orkam_wrk is currently trying out on your depgraph patch...
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[07:11:48] <sensei> Hi, would trac work with postgres 8.1 ?
[07:12:05] <sensei> Can't find the requirements on the site.. might be the lack of sleep though
[07:12:48] <_maniac_> hello, I have a problem. Two trac enviroments, apache with two vhosts, one for each environment, deployed with mod_wsgi. trac's are accessed by different urls.
[07:14:24] <_maniac_> but shows same repository on both urls, it seems that TRAC_ENV variable is overwritten. I dont want to use TRAC_ENV_PARENTDIR, because it dont fit here - projects are totally different.
[07:14:44] <_maniac_> so is there a way to make it serve it right?
[07:17:15] <coderanger_> sensei: Yes, works fine
[07:17:37] <coderanger_> _maniac_: Yes, you cannot use the TRAC_ENV environment variable
[07:17:38] <sensei> Lovely, saves me a whole bunch of time!
[07:17:47] <coderanger_> You need need to use the trac.env_path WSGI variable
[07:18:18] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: i'm heading home i'll log in from there
[07:19:01] <orkam_wrk> ok, I could write you an eMail, too if this is better
[07:19:45] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: sweet
[07:19:53] <orkam_wrk> it looks better now (no ordinal not in range error) but I think I have still some syntax problems
[07:20:13] <orkam_wrk> Error: Macro TicketCountQuery(owner=loose&status=!closed, groupby=priority, name=My Open Tickets) failed : 'TicketSystem' object has no attribute 'get_all_ticket_fields'
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[07:21:13] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: hmmm you didn't applied the patch to trac
[07:21:59] <cmlenz> coderanger_: how are you supposed to enable the JS debugging in tracdeveloper?
[07:22:12] <coderanger_> cmlenz: There is a checkbox in your prefs
[07:22:25] <coderanger_> should replace jquery with the unpacked version
[07:22:30] <cmlenz> ah
[07:22:39] <cmlenz> I was looking for something on the "Developer Tools" page
[07:22:48] <coderanger_> though now that 0.11 is gold, I should make sure it has the right version
[07:23:03] * coderanger_ is having too much fun with the spore creature creator
[07:23:21] <orkam_wrk> andrei2102, i did that once, maybe it has been overwritte, I'll check that (later)
[07:23:25] <_maniac_> coderanger_: still same problem.
[07:23:45] <coderanger_> _maniac_: Are you using the .wsgi script created by trac-admin deploy?
[07:23:51] <_maniac_> I added import trac\n trac.env_path = 'path-to-repos'
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[07:24:20] <_maniac_> coderanger_: no, my trac-admin dont have deploy command
[07:24:20] <coderanger_> _maniac_: Uhh, no
[07:24:27] <coderanger_> _maniac_: Please upgrade to 0.11
[07:24:32] <ctooley> I've just upgraded from 0.10 to 0.11 and none of my css is working right.
[07:24:39] <_maniac_> HAHAHA:)
[07:24:42] <_maniac_> sorry
[07:24:57] <ctooley> The style sheets seem not to be getting loaded.
[07:25:18] <ctooley> I realize that the switch from ClearSilver to Genshi means I might need to change something, but I can't seem to find what it is.
[07:25:50] <andrei2102> orkam_wrk: ok
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[07:26:52] <coderanger_> ctooley: How were you adding CSS before
[07:27:06] <osimons> @wiki TracInterfaceCustomization
[07:27:06] <evil_twin> osimons: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization
[07:27:09] <ctooley> coderanger, I replaced trac.ss
[07:27:12] <ctooley> errr trac.css
[07:27:19] <coderanger_> ctooley: Yeah, don't do that :P
[07:27:33] <coderanger_> ctooley: You can add a match block in site.html to add a custom stylesheet
[07:27:34] <asmodai> coderanger_: Not making any penis creatures are you?
[07:27:42] <coderanger_> check the TracInterfaceCustomization page
[07:27:47] <coderanger_> asmodai: Nope, just made a grue though :)
[07:27:51] <asmodai> heh
[07:28:12] <ctooley> I don't have a site.html
[07:28:38] <ctooley> updatedb && locate site.html returns nothing.
[07:28:57] <ctooley> ah, I see
[07:29:00] <ctooley> I have to do it myself. :(
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[07:35:44] <thm> can't pygments colorize emacs lisp?
[07:36:22] <coderanger_> ctooley: It might not be created during an upgrade
[07:37:27] <osimons> thm: sounds like a question for the #pygments (?) channel...
[07:38:55] <thm> osimons: you are right
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[07:45:56] <balsagoth> hi people
[07:47:38] <balsagoth> anyne can tell me why my trac shows a 404 error page when i click ViewTickets. ohter pages are working well. and this have worked ultil yesterday
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[07:47:56] <The_Tick> have you looked at the logs balsagoth ?
[07:48:19] <balsagoth> sorry, no, where i can found them?
[07:49:04] <balsagoth> i already install new version of trac 0.11 (i have before rc2)
[07:49:07] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7398 (Got a constant error) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7398#comment:1> || Ticket #7354 (Unable to Edit or Delete an invalid tickets report) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7354#comment:6> || Changeset [7289]: Backported fix for #7354 (r7288) From 0.11-stable. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7289> || Ticket #7398 (Got a constant error) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7398> || TracOnLeopardServer edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracOnLeopardServer?version=11> || Changeset [7288]: 0.11-stable: Explicitly rollback the current db transaction when a report ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7288>
[07:49:15] <The_Tick> don't know anything about .11
[07:49:16] <The_Tick> sorry
[07:49:51] <balsagoth> by the way i'm using lighttpd
[07:50:24] <balsagoth> all my projects raise this page error on View Tickets
[07:50:31] <The_Tick> trac logs first, then httpd logs
[07:50:37] <The_Tick> is what I find to be the best way to log
[07:50:40] <The_Tick> google for trac logging
[07:50:49] <coderanger_> @logging
[07:50:49] <evil_twin> coderanger_: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[07:50:49] <The_Tick> there's docs on the edgewall wiki
[07:50:54] <The_Tick> or that
[07:51:01] <coderanger_> asmodai: http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-coderanger%3Asast-500004416989
[07:52:54] <asmodai> hahah
[07:53:31] <balsagoth> thanks
[07:53:56] <The_Tick> haha
[07:55:00] <coderanger_> Its annoying that you can't paint all the surfaces
[07:55:50] <The_Tick> are banks closed on saturday?
[07:55:52] * The_Tick ponders
[07:56:08] <jhammel> The_Tick: you mean, everywhere?
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[07:56:22] <The_Tick> well, my bank
[07:56:25] <The_Tick> guess I could just call
[07:56:29] <jhammel> The_Tick: that i can't help you with ;)
[07:56:33] <The_Tick> heh
[07:56:36] <The_Tick> but most banks?
[07:56:41] <The_Tick> that are normally open saturdays
[07:56:54] <jhammel> The_Tick: highly dependent; in NYC, usually, at least for major branches
[07:57:23] <jhammel> The_Tick: away from cities....not so much in my experience ;)
[07:58:22] <The_Tick> heh
[07:58:48] <jhammel> the first time i saw a bank open on Sunday (!) it blew my mind
[07:58:58] <ctooley> This coming Saturday is less likely due to the whole Friday Holiday thing.
[07:58:58] <nick_fn> Does anyone know of a plugin that can provide a "Thanks for your ticket, here is some things you can do now" page for non-technical users of Trac?
[07:59:29] <jhammel> nick_fn: no, but that would be cool; i'd have use for it
[07:59:49] <jhammel> nick_fn: or really any trac for non-techies customization
[07:59:57] <ctooley> would like a plugin for filtering all the cialis tickets that are coming in.
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[08:00:08] <nick_fn> cialis?
[08:00:47] <The_Tick> "thanks for the ticket, now go complain in your blog about how unresponsive we are"
[08:01:03] <ctooley> or ambien, or valium or xanax or other random ED pills
[08:01:24] <The_Tick> ctooley: there's the spam plugin
[08:01:31] <The_Tick> just do a regex to disallow those words
[08:01:52] <The_Tick> like [c][i][a][l][i][s] if you really wanna :P
[08:02:28] <ctooley> I'm thinking a method to force the user to do somethign before submitting a ticket would better... like "read this word in this picture and type it in" kind of thing.
[08:02:43] <jhammel> ctooley: ah, a captcha
[08:02:46] <The_Tick> oh like a captcha?
[08:02:53] <The_Tick> think there's a plugin for that
[08:02:59] <The_Tick> captchas suck for most users though
[08:03:11] <The_Tick> since they don't understand
[08:03:17] <jhammel> ctooley: there is http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SimpleCaptchaPlugin, though currently this is only for registration
[08:03:27] <ctooley> If they can't operate a captcha, they definitely can't operate our software
[08:03:35] <jhammel> The_Tick: i think if they can deal with trac, they can probably deal with captchas
[08:04:21] <The_Tick> jhammel: and that's a bigger problem
[08:04:29] <ctooley> I'm hoping that if they can deal with high throughput, telco carrier routing engines they'll be able to deal with a captcha
[08:05:18] <ctooley> Though I have noticed that some of the people in our telco switch site can figure out extremely complex call routing plans, but don't know how to operate email, so who knows.
[08:05:35] <The_Tick> ctooley: exactly
[08:06:07] <ctooley> On the other hand, those people are just going to call the helpdesk anyway
[08:06:27] <ctooley> Or tell us, "Griffin sucks, we can't do X" in the weekly conference call.
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[08:06:30] <jhammel> ctooley: not if the telco is having routing problems ;)
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[08:06:51] <coderanger_> image captchas destroy usability
[08:06:52] <ctooley> jhammel, :) good
[08:07:34] <ctooley> coderanger_, They're better than 9000 tickets/day (on a slow day) about c14l1s