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July 07, 2008

[00:03:57] <aat> yar
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[01:18:19] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7411 (Components [ticket system] should be accessible through the wiki (see ...) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7411#comment:5> || Ticket #7411 (Components [ticket system] should be accessible through the wiki (see ...) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7411#comment:4>
[01:20:07] <asmodai> aat: ping?
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[01:32:19] <pyqwer> Hi, does someone know if and how to configure the entry page which displays all my TRAC projects?
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[02:18:01] <patrick_> hey! i got a problem with GitPlugin -- it tells me: Trac detected an internal error: invalid syntax (git_fs.py, line 361)
[02:18:35] <patrick_> is this a known problem or is it just me who did some failure in his configuration :D
[02:18:49] <aat> as a wild guess i'd say the plugin is using syntax from a more recent version of python than you have
[02:19:05] <patrick_> well ty for the hint ill check it
[02:20:14] <patrick_> omg http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/GitPlugin says python 2.5 is needed for 0.11+GitPlugin
[02:20:30] <patrick_> have installed 2.4.4 :P ty!
[02:20:39] <aat> 2.5 is keen
[02:23:04] <patrick_> hm keen? sry for my bad english, but i dont know what u mean :D 2.5 is heavy changing? ill do a backup of my vm as a precaution
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[02:31:01] <patrick_> :/ doesnt work - same error
[02:31:21] <patrick_> created new egg and reinstalled it with easy_install
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[02:34:48] <patrick_> mhhh maybe i need to reinstall trac? with installed python2.5?
[02:35:23] <patrick_> currently all the libs in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Trac-0.11-py2.4.egg/..
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[03:13:09] <lennie> asmodai, hi
[03:13:16] <patrick_> bahhhhh when i try to install trac via easy_install Trac-0.11-py2.5.egg i extracts all the stuff to /usr/lib/python2.4/.... how can i make it extracting the staff to /usr/lib/python2.5/.. ?
[03:14:10] <patrick_> ls -l /usr/bin/python says /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5
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[03:27:29] <patrick_> well got it, needed to install the trac-egg with easy_install-2.5
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[03:48:11] <asmodai> aat: oi?
[03:49:22] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: RoadMap edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/RoadMap?version=40> || WikiStart edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiStart?version=112>
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[04:49:45] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5720 (Trac ticket query should be case insensitive.) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5720#comment:2>
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[04:54:18] <timeless> hello
[04:54:23] <timeless> i'm having trouble w/ trac
[04:54:26] <timeless> http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/login
[04:55:20] <roh> eek.. ancient python with ancient trac.. i fear someone else needs to help you
[04:55:32] <roh> i only know 10.4 and up
[04:56:14] <timeless> so um, "what do i do"?
[04:56:22] <timeless> it's not my trac :)
[04:56:40] <timeless> i mean, i'd file a bug in its trac db, but i can't :)
[04:56:47] <timeless> http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/newticket#preview
[04:56:49] <timeless> Forbidden
[04:56:49] <timeless> You don't have permission to access /trac/tinymail/newticket on this server.
[04:56:52] <roh> i see.. well.. be patient and google a bit while that. lots of devels idle here and will speak up as soon as they show up and read the backlog
[04:57:41] <roh> ah.. youre not the admin but only a user of tinymail?
[04:58:02] <timeless> i'm not even a user
[04:58:16] <timeless> i work on an upstream component they misuse
[04:58:22] <timeless> i'm trying to tell them, but i cant :(
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[04:59:08] <roh> ah.. https works for /login it seems
[04:59:20] <timeless> tinymail.org uses an invalid security certificate. :)
[04:59:27] <roh> self--signed
[04:59:39] <timeless> signed for another domain
[04:59:46] <roh> japp
[05:00:07] <timeless> so, how do i create an account? :)
[05:00:11] <roh> well.. whatever.. ssl-certificates are snake-oil most of the time anyways
[05:00:14] <roh> dunno.
[05:00:17] <timeless> once i used https, it asked for auth
[05:00:20] <timeless> which um...
[05:04:48] <roh> try asking in the tinymail-channel (if there is one)
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[05:10:02] <timeless> well, thanks,.... i gave up and used a downstream bug tracker to complain about their bug...
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[05:19:57] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/ToDo edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ToDo?version=31> || TracDev/ToDo edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ToDo?version=30>
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[05:50:09] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/ToDo edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ToDo?version=32>
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[06:09:34] <archi> Hi2all. Somebody can help me with editing changesets in my trac???
[06:09:53] <jhammel> archi: editing changesets?
[06:10:04] <jhammel> archi: you can't? they're already comitted?
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[06:10:11] <archi> yes. i want to chage description
[06:10:20] <archi> yess they commited
[06:10:53] <archi> i'm looking you web interface or plagin
[06:11:08] <archi> it's to hard to chage it from console
[06:11:09] <archi> =(
[06:11:13] <jhammel> haven't heard of such a plugin; doesn't mean it doesn't exist, though
[06:11:37] <archi> ok
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[06:19:38] <vinilios_at_work> any idea how to publish my /trac/projects/project trac to a domain at root ?
[06:19:44] <vinilios_at_work> much more an apache question
[06:20:24] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracDev/ToDo edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDev/ToDo?version=33>
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[06:28:46] <doki_pen> good morning
[06:29:17] <archi> hi
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[06:40:02] <jamiemmt> does anyone know where I should look for documentation on ticket api?
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[06:46:02] <jhammel> trac/ticket/api.py?
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[06:46:30] <jamiemmt> I am trying to create a command-line tool to create tickets
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[06:47:07] <jamiemmt> ideas?
[06:47:18] <jhammel> jamiemmt: in the abstract? not really
[06:47:32] <jhammel> jamiemmt: i promise its not hard, but there is a bit of up-front learning
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[06:48:30] <jamiemmt> ok. well, do you have a suggestion as to where I should start?
[06:48:39] <jamiemmt> the ticket api does not seem to have anything useful
[06:51:24] <jhammel> jamiemmt: i'd look at http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/contrib/trac-post-commit-hook maybe
[06:51:39] <jhammel> jamiemmt: it modifies tickets, doesn't create them, but its a place to start
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[07:00:34] <doki_pen> jamiemmt: I'm pretty sure you would 1) load the environment, 2) create a ticket object, 3) modify ticket object, 4) save ticket object
[07:00:48] <doki_pen> using the Environment class and the Ticket model class
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[07:01:31] <jamiemmt> ok. where do I find the tools to do this?
[07:01:53] <doki_pen> what do you mean tools?
[07:02:18] <doki_pen> cd $trac_src
[07:02:25] <doki_pen> grep Enivronment . -R
[07:02:28] <doki_pen> grep Ticket . -R
[07:02:51] <doki_pen> there is not really any good api docs, except for the code itself
[07:02:55] <doki_pen> it's pretty easy to follow
[07:04:05] <doki_pen> look in env.py and ticket/model.py
[07:04:18] <jamiemmt> ok
[07:22:00] <jamiemmt> will this be possible remotely, or only from the host?
[07:23:48] <jhammel> jamiemmt: i think that depends on how you program it
[07:24:14] <jhammel> jamiemmt: if you really want remote access, you're better off just front-ending HTTP requests though, IMHO
[07:27:41] <aat> evening
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[07:38:25] <bschussek> Hi all. Is any of you familiar with the Trac internals? I have an exception and cannot find out where it results from
[07:39:28] <jhammel> aat: morning ;)
[07:40:16] <aat> lies!
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[07:43:14] <bschussek> anyone? :-(
[07:43:22] <archi> bschussek Can you tell us more about exception? =)
[07:43:24] <jhammel> bschussek: paste?
[07:43:28] <bschussek> of course
[07:43:32] <archi> pls
[07:43:32] <jhammel> (in a pastebin, that is)
[07:43:37] <bschussek> of course ;-)
[07:44:08] <bschussek> http://pastebin.com/m3e297856
[07:44:47] <bschussek> here's the ticket-workflow section of my trac.ini, as it seems to be connected with this error
[07:44:49] <bschussek> http://pastebin.com/m4e023680
[07:46:03] <bschussek> I'm a software developer, but don't have experience with python so debugging is rather hard for me
[07:46:26] <archi> +1 ;)
[07:46:30] <bschussek> the problem appears when posting a new ticket, btw.
[07:47:46] <bschussek> jhammel: any ideas?
[07:48:53] <jhammel> bschussek: was the first paste the whole traceback? mine seems cut off
[07:50:28] <bschussek> it was the whole traceback. the script has a line break there though
[07:50:34] <bschussek> attributes['oldstates'] = [x.strip() for x in attributes['oldstates'].split(',')]
[07:50:41] <bschussek> are those lines
[07:51:04] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5546 (Custom Query allows user to disable ticket listing) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5546#comment:3>
[07:51:20] <bschussek> ah
[07:51:27] <bschussek> the exception is: KeyError: 'oldstates'
[07:51:33] <bschussek> I think I didn't mention that before
[07:52:10] <jhammel> bschussek: ah; that makes more sense
[07:52:16] <bschussek> sorry
[07:53:03] <jhammel> bschussek: i'm guessing this is a bug in custom ticket workflow if it happens on every new ticket; maybe a core develop can confirm this?
[07:53:20] <bschussek> hmm interesting, now it works
[07:53:33] <jhammel> heh
[07:53:35] <jhammel> magic!
[07:53:51] <bschussek> yeah, there are enough reasons not to do any programming really
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[08:06:54] <doki_pen> jamiemmt: you can use xmlrpc for remote
[08:11:41] <jhammel> doki_pen: finally got around to answering your email
[08:12:12] <jhammel> doki_pen: i originally wanted to flesh out more pseudo-code, but i figured anything i wrote would be scrapped anyway so i kept it pretty minimal
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[08:21:18] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #6955 (ignores in changeset views) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6955#comment:9>
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[08:32:48] <doki_pen> jhammel: the PreferencesProvider is actually for the configurable parameters of your hook
[08:33:05] <doki_pen> it would be nice to have them all in neat divs on the same page
[08:33:17] <doki_pen> rather then a seperate admin page for each hook
[08:33:30] <jhammel> doki_pen: sure, but could you steal this from the hook's registered Options?
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[08:33:39] <doki_pen> also, there aren't many hooks that are universal, because most of them call back into the repo for details
[08:34:20] <doki_pen> jhammel: you could, there could be a generic preference panel for that, but I prefer to customize them more for clients that don't know crap about how a repo works
[08:34:52] <jamiemmt> where is the page w. documentation on current api? I see api changes, but not an extensive page describing which ticket functions intend to be maintained
[08:35:17] <doki_pen> jamiemmt: like I said earlier, there is none
[08:35:21] <doki_pen> you have to look at the code
[08:35:50] <doki_pen> jhammel: it could be a data-driven thing, but that is much more work
[08:36:20] <pacopablo> morning
[08:36:23] <coderanger_> jamiemmt: Or the TracDev/DataModels page
[08:37:16] <doki_pen> jhammel: the only universal hooks I could think of are veto(basically not allow changes, return 1) and command which just emulates the repo's built in hook functionality
[08:38:12] <jhammel> doki_pen: i guess you're saying the changeset objects vary widely?
[08:38:14] <doki_pen> jhammel: the reason you need a HookSystem is because after hooks are enabled or disabled in trac, the real hooks need to be updated(refreshed) and this is different for each repo type
[08:38:31] <doki_pen> jhammel: that is another idea, to have the plugin get the changeset
[08:38:47] <doki_pen> jhammel: but that would greatly increase the complexity
[08:39:03] <jhammel> doki_pen: why?
[08:39:03] <doki_pen> jhammel: and I'm not sure it's needed
[08:39:21] <doki_pen> jhammel: because getting the changeset is different for each repository type
[08:39:21] <jamiemmt> I don't know whether or not the developers intend to maintain the code for creating tickets
[08:39:32] <coderanger_> jamiemmt: Uhh, what?
[08:39:40] <jamiemmt> sorry
[08:39:42] <coderanger_> Thats like saying you don't know if we intend to maintain Trac
[08:39:52] <coderanger_> which, while true, is non-sensical
[08:40:06] <jamiemmt> basically, I would like to know if it is safe to create an instance of a ticket (in my script)
[08:40:23] <coderanger_> jamiemmt: If you mean you don't what is considered an internal-use function, the convention in Python is clear
[08:40:35] <jamiemmt> that is what I mean
[08:40:41] <coderanger_> any function or attribute with a single leading underscore is internal
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[08:41:17] <jamiemmt> ok
[08:41:58] <coderanger_> That said, Trac is still pre-1.0, so we don't promise that public interfaces will remain stable forever
[08:42:15] <coderanger_> we do try very hard to allow for one major version of backwards compatibility when we change things though
[08:44:27] <jamiemmt> well, if you were trying to create "new ticket" via commandline/script, to be done remotely, what method would you recommend using?
[08:47:38] <pacopablo> XMLRPC
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[08:48:17] <pacopablo> or if your talking about creating the ticket part on the server side, and just having something call it, then you can simply use the TicketSystem and the Ticket class
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[08:52:05] <jamiemmt> so XMLRPC has ticket.py, with the create function
[08:52:29] <jamiemmt> and you are recommending I write a script which calls that function to create tickets remotely?
[08:52:49] <jamiemmt> I don't understand exactly what XMLRPC is supposed to do
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[08:55:09] <pacopablo> jamiemmt: I don't understand your use case
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[08:55:27] <pacopablo> XMLRPC is a remote procedure call using XML as the transport encoding
[08:55:46] <pacopablo> so, the server implements XMLRPC, and the client implements XMLRPC
[08:56:02] <pacopablo> on the client side, it's done via xmlrpclib
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[08:57:02] <pacopablo> you create an XMLRPC object, connect it to the server and then call XMLRPC methods
[08:57:49] <pacopablo> such as s.foo(parm) where s is the XMLRPC object connected to the XMLRPC server, foo is the method exposed by that server, and parm is whatever parms that method takes
[08:58:54] <pacopablo> jamiemmt: what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:59:18] <jamiemmt> I want to be able to create tickets on the command line
[08:59:23] <jamiemmt> remotely
[08:59:43] <pacopablo> then create a python program that uses XMLRPC to take to the trac server
[09:00:07] <pacopablo> you'll need to install the XMLRPC plugin on the server, but it will save you mounds of coding.
[09:00:13] <jamiemmt> ok
[09:00:20] <jamiemmt> I am looking at XMLRPC
[09:00:34] <jamiemmt> I see the create() function in ticket.py
[09:00:49] <jamiemmt> but that isn't in the exported code, I don't think
[09:01:23] <pacopablo> install the plugin
[09:01:40] <pacopablo> then go to /xmlrpc in a webbrowser
[09:01:52] <pacopablo> and you'll see all the exported methods
[09:01:58] <jamiemmt> ok
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[09:02:15] <jamiemmt> Is create() exported?
[09:02:57] <pacopablo> I don't know
[09:03:24] <pacopablo> well, yes, I know you can create tickets via XMLRPC, but no, i don't know if create() specifically is exported
[09:05:00] <coderanger_> It also implements the reflective documentation standards
[09:05:14] <coderanger_> so any XMLRPC browser can tell you what methods exist
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[09:06:38] <jamiemmt> ok
[09:08:39] <s0undt3ch> cmlenz: saw this? -> http://www.initd.org/
[09:09:04] <coderanger_> s0undt3ch: Yes, it has been mentioned several times
[09:09:08] <coderanger_> including on the ML
[09:09:21] <coderanger_> Its FUD and should be treated accordingly
[09:09:23] <s0undt3ch> dam, what a rant :\
[09:09:50] <jhammel> s0undt3ch: at least its short ;)
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[09:10:01] <s0undt3ch> jhammel: he he he, yes
[09:10:23] <coderanger_> s0undt3ch: The guess is he tried to upgrade from 0.10 to an early pre-release of 0.11 before we fixed the massive memory leaks
[09:10:40] <s0undt3ch> coderanger_: my thoughts exactly
[09:11:04] <s0undt3ch> the price of being on the edge
[09:11:06] <picasso> is there a way to set up permissions on trac documents on the wiki?
[09:11:11] <jhammel> reminds me of the "mplayer is horrible because i can't get it to work" rants back in the day
[09:11:17] <picasso> i have some pricing information i need to get rid of before i give someone access to the trac
[09:11:25] <picasso> but i dont want them to be able to go in the timeline and see the last version of that wikip age
[09:11:43] <coderanger_> picasso: Look at the authz policy plugin in the sample-plugins/ folder of the download tarball
[09:11:45] <picasso> .. i guess a way of permanently deleting that data would also work? if that exists?
[09:11:50] <picasso> ok
[09:11:56] <coderanger_> picasso: You could also remove it, up to you
[09:11:57] <picasso> do i need 0.11
[09:12:05] <coderanger_> For the authz policy, yes
[09:12:05] <picasso> removing it deletes all history in timeline?
[09:12:17] <coderanger_> yes, deleting removes the entire page
[09:12:32] <picasso> would rather keep it there for my reference, but that's a good fallback
[09:12:41] <picasso> i'm going to try to upgrade and do authz thing
[09:12:48] <picasso> ty
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[09:26:20] <matt_good> picasso: you can go in the db and just delete all but the latest rev
[09:26:28] <jamiemmt> since there has been the move away from reports, and towards queries
[09:26:45] <jamiemmt> is there any way to save a query in a non-wiki/html format?
[09:26:57] <jamiemmt> (ie, like excel from the report era)
[09:31:46] <jamiemmt> ?
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[09:58:29] <jamiemmt> so wiki macros are used where?
[09:58:44] <jamiemmt> do you call them in html?
[09:58:56] <jamiemmt> (I don't see how that would work)
[09:59:43] <jhammel> jamiemmt: you put a macro in an HTML page; these are then gone through and turned into links, etc via the wiki macro system
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[10:03:21] <pacopablo> s/HTML/Wiki
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[10:03:26] <pacopablo> jamiemmt: in the wiki markup
[10:04:24] <picasso> hm, i have the authz plugin turned on but it seems to have no effect. is there a way to debug or see log messages? i'm running thru apache and dont see anything in apache logs
[10:06:33] <jamiemmt> basically, I want to export a query to another webpage
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[10:21:52] <jamiemmt> that is really obnoxious if the functionality of exporting reports was dropped
[10:22:11] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7413 (Exporting Queries in different formats) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7413>
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[10:24:45] <matt_good> jamiemmt: ? you can still download them in the same formats at the bottom of the page
[10:24:48] <matt_good> CSV or TSV
[10:27:20] <matt_good> jamiemmt: I don't understand what you mean by saving in "wikiformatting" though
[10:27:43] <jamiemmt> sorry
[10:28:09] <jamiemmt> I see what you mean; I am trying to write a table on another web page w. the results of a query
[10:29:47] <jamiemmt> (IE, I want to be able to do the query and save it in tab-delimited text format"
[10:30:10] <jamiemmt> not actually clicking
[10:30:24] <jamiemmt> do the query/saving via commandline or something
[10:30:33] <jamiemmt> (or a script)
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[10:31:32] <jhammel> ?format=csv
[10:32:47] <scorphus> hello everyone, a small team of translators and business administrators need to be trained in order to use Trac both to report bugs and manage the knowledge base. I'd like to know if you recommend any available material that can be used as a guide, such as a conference or presentation (slides). thanks
[10:33:10] <bkuhn> I'd be interested in such material myself. :)
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[10:45:11] <jamiemmt> so the xmlrpc... I do not currently have access to the webserver; how do I know what functions are exported?
[10:52:24] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7414 (Default TracReports have odd behavior in 0.11) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7414>
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[11:06:17] <kisielk> is it possible to modify a built-in trac macro?
[11:06:25] <kisielk> I want to add another option to TitleIndex
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