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August 10, 2008

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[08:55:42] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: dcs.mspx attached to TracEnvironment <http://trac.edgewall.org/attachment/wiki/TracEnvironment/dcs.mspx>
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[09:25:56] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7140 (Updating opened report does not work with $USER) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7140#comment:2>
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[10:38:09] <blahhhhhhhhh> any wtorrent gurus here?
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[11:11:15] <coderanger> blahhhhhhhhh: No
[11:11:19] <coderanger> @wrongchannel
[11:11:19] <evil_twin> coderanger: "wrongchannel" is This channel is for Trac, the project management software. You are probably looking at the website of a project that uses Trac to run their operations. Chances are we don't know anything about their project, but try looking on their website for more specific support instructions. /list will usually show you a list of all channels on this IRC server, and you can also try looking there.
[11:12:07] <blahhhhhhhhh> that sucks.
[11:12:26] <coderanger> Why?
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[11:12:39] <blahhhhhhhhh> it listed this irc on there site :(
[11:12:44] <blahhhhhhhhh> its kewl tho
[11:12:51] <coderanger> On a page called TracSupport
[11:13:02] <coderanger> If you need support for Trac, this is indeed the correct place
[11:13:40] <blahhhhhhhhh> heh
[11:13:51] <blahhhhhhhhh> ty for the info kind sir
[11:14:42] <coderanger> good luck
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[11:26:38] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: ChangeLog edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/ChangeLog?version=44> || TracDownload edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload?version=81>
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[11:56:14] <hydroponic> What version of Trac is in the Debian repos?
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[12:11:44] <coderanger> hydroponic: Um, why don't you just check?
[12:11:56] <coderanger> it depends on what version of debian you are using
[12:11:59] <hydroponic> 4
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[13:57:54] <datallah> I'm getting a "current transaction is aborted" error after upgrading to 0.11.1 traceback: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81795/
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[14:04:51] <datallah> I see http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7354, but this is with 0.11.1 and it doesn't happen consistenly.
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[14:08:30] <hydroponic> Is it safe to set python2.5 as default on Debian?
[14:08:51] <hydroponic> I see this on TracInstall
[14:08:54] <datallah> oh, I think i'm an idiot and am not closing db connections.
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[16:28:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #5637 ("Missing or invalid form token") reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5637#comment:18>
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[17:29:10] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7519 (Ship randomly appear and disappear) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7519>
[17:30:26] <datallah> heh... that's a nice one
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[18:29:34] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7519 (Ship randomly appear and disappear) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7519#comment:1>
[18:38:49] <hydroponic> I'm getting a "cannot import name compat" error when I visit certain pages on my new Trac installation
[18:39:25] <hydroponic> The problem is here, http://www.mail-archive.com/trac-users@googlegroups.com/msg10401.html with a workaround, but I'm wondering if the real problem has been found?
[18:46:25] <hydroponic> I have compat.py in trac/tests/functional/ and in trac/util/ in my Trac site-packages folder. Renaming the one in tests to 'testcompat.py' and 'testcompat.pyc' works perfectly
[18:49:47] <coderanger> run this
[18:49:55] <coderanger> python -c 'import sys; print sys.path'
[19:10:46] <hydroponic> ['', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Trac-0.11.1-py2.4.egg', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Genshi-0.5.1-py2.4-linux-i686.egg', '/usr/lib/python24.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.4', '/usr/lib/python2.4/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages', '/var/lib/python-support/python2.4']
[19:12:40] <coderanger> hmm, looks okay
[19:13:22] <coderanger> Can you file a ticket (or comment on an existing one) with the data from your About Trac page (specifically the version stuff at the top)
[19:13:33] <coderanger> just so we can keep a record of it
[19:13:34] <hydroponic> Will Trac have native git integration eventually?
[19:13:41] <hydroponic> alright
[19:13:43] <coderanger> hydroponic: Not likely
[19:13:46] <hydroponic> I will in a bit
[19:13:47] <hydroponic> oh ok
[19:13:56] <coderanger> Unless the git devs really change their attitude
[19:15:23] <hydroponic> arrogance?
[19:15:37] <coderanger> they consider a git library to be an annoyance at best
[19:15:47] <coderanger> people have tried to make a libgit several times
[19:16:03] <coderanger> but because the core team has no real interest in helping, they all end up falling out of date
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[19:16:42] <hydroponic> Do you know if the current plugin(s) work ok?
[19:16:56] <coderanger> GitPlugin works, but it isn't exactly zippy
[19:17:12] <coderanger> it has to run at least one git-* command and parse its output to do anything
[19:18:15] <hydroponic> ah.. maybe I'll stick to svn on the server and just use git-svn locally
[19:18:30] <coderanger> so there can sometimes be visible latency if it has to spawn 10 git commands for a page request
[19:18:47] <coderanger> it is certainly usable, git it pretty fast to load after all
[19:18:53] <coderanger> but its just an annoyance
[19:19:02] <coderanger> it really needs language bindings
[19:19:32] <hydroponic> I'm really looking for a very scrum-ready and scrum-friendly tracker. The current plugins for scrum aren't so good
[19:20:07] <coderanger> sorry, I'm buzzword averse, please state real requirements ::P
[19:20:16] <hydroponic> You told me awhile back you were working on widgets or something?
[19:20:25] <coderanger> trachome? yeah
[19:20:27] <hydroponic> I was asking about drag and drop functionality
[19:20:31] <hydroponic> How's that coming along?
[19:20:35] <coderanger> its still there, hasn't really been touched lately
[19:20:44] <coderanger> my job kind of eats time (games industry)
[19:20:56] <hydroponic> oh ok
[19:21:25] <coderanger> I was waiting for jQuery UI 1.5 to finally come out (which was smart, they redid the whole API)
[19:21:34] <coderanger> that was about 2 or so months ago
[19:21:39] <coderanger> haven't gotten back to it
[19:24:13] <hydroponic> Scrum is used for project management. It basically gives a lot more control and freedom to the developers, rather than management. It's not new, but has just recently been gaining ground because traditional methods of managing a dev team.. suck, for the dev team and for management. Anyway, we use scrum at work (web developer). One really useful feature would be to have time estimates for each issue in the tracker, and then the option t
[19:24:30] <coderanger> Timing&Estimation plugin
[19:24:37] <hydroponic> It's great: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)#Characteristics_of_Scrum
[19:24:49] <datallah> Hmm... I'm still getting "current transaction is aborted" errors. Example traceback: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81795/
[19:24:58] <hydroponic> hmm, ok I'll check it out, thanmks
[19:25:00] <hydroponic> thanks*
[19:25:34] <coderanger> hydroponic: I know what scrum is, but it often means slightly different thing to each group
[19:25:39] <hydroponic> ah, ok
[19:25:49] <coderanger> as you saw, asking about an actual feature is more likely to get a useful response
[19:26:13] <datallah> What's the rule about using db.commit()? Do you have to do so after every time you get a db connection?
[19:26:32] <coderanger> datallah: Usually that means something isn't explicitly calling rollback after an error
[19:26:47] <coderanger> datallah: What do you mean
[19:27:47] <datallah> If I use env.get_db_cnx(), do I have to commit() it even if I didn't update anything?
[19:28:08] <datallah> (I've been trying to do so as a rule, but there are a number of plugins that don't)
[19:28:33] <coderanger> No
[19:29:14] <coderanger> in fact you shouldn't unless you actually want to commit a change
[19:29:25] <datallah> ok
[19:30:02] <coderanger> look to code that traps DB errors but doesn't call rollback
[19:31:05] <datallah> ok. The traceback itself isn't necessarily useful, right?
[19:31:25] <coderanger> right, a lot of those errors are actually secondary
[19:31:31] <coderanger> its some query happening before that
[19:31:41] <coderanger> unfortunately they can't be very painful to track
[19:31:44] <coderanger> er, can be
[19:31:53] <coderanger> maybe check the server logs for that connection
[19:31:53] <datallah> not necessarily in the same transaction, right? (Because of connection pooling)
[19:31:59] <coderanger> see what query was before that
[19:32:08] <datallah> how do I know which connection it is?
[19:32:10] <coderanger> right, it could be almost anywhere
[19:32:17] <coderanger> datallah: Look for the SQL of the failed one
[19:32:35] <coderanger> and then see what was called in the few queries before it
[19:33:06] <datallah> ok, maybe if I find the first instance, that'll help
[19:33:51] <datallah> I suspect this isn't anything of mine because I don't trap db errors
[19:34:33] <coderanger> its also possible I am wrong and this is something entirely different :)
[19:34:38] <coderanger> caveat emptor
[19:36:18] <datallah> is there something I can grep for in the log of the server starting up?
[19:36:34] <coderanger> not that I know ofhmm
[19:36:37] <coderanger> oh
[19:37:01] <coderanger> maybe the select from system where name='db_version' or whatever it is
[19:37:10] <coderanger> look at the Environment init code
[19:37:18] <datallah> i probably need to turn on more verbose debugging
[19:37:24] <coderanger> that should be run on env startup
[19:37:37] <coderanger> yeah, I think there is a special query logging mode in pg
[19:37:47] <coderanger> pacopablo is our resident pg expert though
[19:38:06] <datallah> ok
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[20:09:18] <hydroponic> coderanger: Is the theme editor working in 0.11?
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[20:22:07] <datallah> coderanger: I think I found it: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81822/
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[22:15:32] <hydroponic> Where's the global trac.ini in 0.11.1?
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[23:58:34] <hydroponic> How do I get pygments to actually work? It's enabled, but syntax (.rb) is not colored in the browser, or anywhere