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August 19, 2008

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[01:46:55] <JohnSourcer> help help
[01:47:03] <JohnSourcer> my trac has been running fine for weeks
[01:47:12] <JohnSourcer> i have 3 trac processes running
[01:47:33] <JohnSourcer> one of them when you try and login gets into and endless redirect loop
[01:47:37] <JohnSourcer> all of a sudden
[01:47:39] <JohnSourcer> ?
[01:47:49] <coderanger> define "3 trac processes
[01:47:56] <JohnSourcer> hey coderange
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[01:47:58] <JohnSourcer> r
[01:48:15] <JohnSourcer> I have 3 different trac servers running on different ports on teh same machine
[01:48:25] <JohnSourcer> it's worked fine for weeks
[01:48:31] <coderanger> why would you ever do that
[01:48:44] <JohnSourcer> :(
[01:49:04] <JohnSourcer> don't have an excuse
[01:49:17] <coderanger> I assume you mean tracd, which can serve as many envs as you want
[01:49:24] <JohnSourcer> yes tracd
[01:49:34] <coderanger> that kind of redirect loop is generally caused by a plugin though
[01:49:38] <coderanger> what do you have installed
[01:49:40] <JohnSourcer> they're very different projects at diffrent locations
[01:50:01] <JohnSourcer> acct_mngr
[01:50:06] <JohnSourcer> timing and estimation
[01:50:17] <JohnSourcer> tracuserm,anger
[01:50:34] <coderanger> Try disabling each in turn and seeing if the problem goes away
[01:50:38] <coderanger> I would start with acctmgr
[01:50:57] <JohnSourcer> ok
[01:51:20] <JohnSourcer> but the odd thing is I have all the same plugins enabled on the other enviros
[01:51:24] <JohnSourcer> and they work fine
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[01:55:35] <JohnSourcer> yep it was account manager
[01:55:37] <JohnSourcer> :/
[01:55:39] <JohnSourcer> thanks man
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[01:57:47] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7545 (Vizualization of 'fsvs' properties) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7545>
[01:58:57] <coling> Has anyone got real life experience of MySQL support in Trac these days? Is it any good?
[01:59:35] <coderanger> Don't use it
[01:59:38] <coderanger> not now, not ever
[02:00:00] <coderanger> There are too many systemic design flaws to ever see support to the same level as the other two backends
[02:02:40] <coling> Gah
[02:02:46] <coling> Not what I wanted to hear :(
[02:03:25] <coling> What are the main issues out of curiosity? I don't really want to run PGSQL and MySQL on the same box and we've already got several mysql dbs :s
[02:03:26] <coderanger> MySQL is broken software, plain and simple
[02:03:35] <coling> Ahh, that argument. Nice.
[02:03:41] <coderanger> Their support for TEXT fields is horrible
[02:03:47] <coderanger> ditto for UTF*
[02:03:54] <coderanger> (and i18n in general)
[02:04:02] <coling> What's wrong with either? I use them all the time?
[02:04:07] * asmodai waves at coling
[02:04:17] <asmodai> err
[02:04:19] <asmodai> coderanger:
[02:04:33] <coderanger> coling: 3 bytes per character + 1000 bytes per key + 2 strings in a key = problem
[02:04:40] <asmodai> coling: For a long time, perhaps it changed now, MySQL did not support Unicode characters above 0xffff
[02:05:00] <coderanger> yeah, anything over the BMP is laughable
[02:05:15] <asmodai> Which is pain for CJK users and some African tribes.
[02:05:31] <coderanger> the former probably being a bigger issue for us :P
[02:05:43] <coling> hehe
[02:05:51] <coling> Can't say I've ever had an issue to be honest.
[02:05:54] <coderanger> coling: I can keep going if I haven't made my point already
[02:06:06] <coderanger> MySQL works fine if you design the app for MySQL
[02:06:15] <coderanger> we didn't, we designed against SQL
[02:06:35] <asmodai> I wonder if MySQL still allows invalid dates
[02:06:42] <asmodai> e.g. February 30 or 31
[02:06:54] <coderanger> for example, the MySQL devs official solution to the key size limit is to never use real values as a key, always use opaque integers and lots of JOINs
[02:07:06] <asmodai> coderanger: eew
[02:07:22] <asmodai> You're joking? Please? Pretty please?
[02:07:37] <coderanger> While that technically works (and is how things like most PHP apps and RoR work), it kind of kills the schema
[02:07:46] <coderanger> asmodai: You can look up the ticket on their bug tracker
[02:08:15] <asmodai> coderanger: got a reference?
[02:08:24] <coderanger> I would have to search for it
[02:08:39] <coling> Well I think sqlite is a big bottle neck for me these days... trac is pretty damn slow anyway, and I want to try and get something better than sqlite.
[02:08:40] <asmodai> coderanger: any search keys?
[02:08:55] <coling> I don't really want to use pgsql, as the machine is somewhat overloaded as it is.
[02:09:05] <coling> (more ram coming soon tho'!)
[02:09:12] <coderanger> coling: postgres and mysql are not much faster than SQLite, this is a common misunderstanding
[02:09:21] <coling> coderanger, really?
[02:09:23] <coling> Dang
[02:09:33] <asmodai> jups
[02:09:37] <coderanger> the advantage of those is higher throughput due to better concurrency and locking
[02:09:37] <asmodai> sqlite is tuned insanely
[02:09:39] * coling assumed.
[02:09:57] <coderanger> but the speed of a single query is basically CPU limited in either case
[02:10:09] <coderanger> well CPU/memory speed/etc
[02:10:17] <aat> hi
[02:10:34] <asmodai> aat: where have you been?!
[02:10:40] <coling> Perhaps the bottleneck is elsewhere but Trac is significantly slower than it used to be since I upgraded to 0.11.. Perhaps I've still got it tuned to restart after 10 requests or soemthing....
[02:10:53] <asmodai> aat: inquiring minds demand to know.
[02:11:14] <asmodai> I wonder if it might be Genshi
[02:11:29] <coderanger> coling: Check that you have the genshi speedps
[02:11:38] <coling> speedps?
[02:11:46] <asmodai> _speedups.so
[02:11:46] <coderanger> speedups
[02:11:56] <coderanger> its an optional C module to make Genshi faster
[02:11:57] * coling is looking
[02:12:02] <aat> gf had her birthday "month" :\
[02:12:09] <aat> plus work stuff
[02:12:12] <aat> how goes it peeps?
[02:12:15] <coling> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/genshi/_speedups.so
[02:12:19] <coling> Seems to be there.
[02:12:24] <asmodai> aat: birthday month? :|
[02:12:30] <coderanger> aat: ouch, sounds ... fun
[02:12:34] <coling> I'm on 0.5
[02:12:37] * coling looks for newer
[02:12:39] <aat> the birthDAY that keeps on giving
[02:12:44] <asmodai> hahaha
[02:12:52] <asmodai> aat: reminds me of Alice in Wonderland
[02:13:11] <coling> 0.5.1 coming up.
[02:13:18] <aat> hehe
[02:13:39] <coderanger> asmodai: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=16238 this bug says maybe they raised the limit in 5.x
[02:13:57] <asmodai> Maybe? Schroedinger's implementation?
[02:14:00] <coderanger> though the docs are still all over the place
[02:14:23] <coderanger> much easier in PG. you throw data at it, it does the hard work.
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[02:15:15] <coderanger> asmodai: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=12522 another bug that they just closed as "not a bug"
[02:15:42] <asmodai> I seriously wonder why people are so infatuated with MySQL
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[02:16:29] <aat> it has phenomenal documentation, for one thing
[02:16:59] <coling> coderanger, the example in that old bug works fine here.
[02:17:56] <coderanger> coling: There is still a limit somewhere, as we get about one report a month due to this
[02:18:00] <coling> Oh no it doesn't
[02:18:01] <coling> :)
[02:18:08] <asmodai> coderanger: jesus, that's just ... <speechless>
[02:18:13] <asmodai> aat: Yes and no.
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[02:18:16] <coderanger> possibly it is all people on 4.x, I don't watch closely enough
[02:18:22] <asmodai> aat: I don't always find it as clear, but it has a lot.
[02:19:11] * coderanger tries to sleep again
[02:19:18] * asmodai sings a lullaby
[02:19:57] * coling is trying to think of a good reason for massive indexes.... tho' can't really classify 1000/3 as "massive" so stops trying.
[02:20:37] <aat> that bug comment is awesome
[02:20:45] <coderanger> coling: Think two paths (which are traditionally varchar(255) for simplicity)
[02:20:57] <asmodai> aat: from which one?
[02:21:17] <coderanger> http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=11062 another one :)
[02:21:24] <aat> the bug just posted
[02:21:54] <aat> unreal
[02:22:14] <asmodai> I seriously wonder if this has logical reasons behind it
[02:22:42] * coderanger finds another and gives up before he gets even sadder
[02:23:05] * asmodai hugs coderanger
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[03:13:45] <andreask2> Hi! I've problems creating a trac project using trac-admin initenv
[03:14:53] <andreask2> If I use initenv and enter all the settings for the new project, trac-admin starts to create the folders and imports wikipages, but stops after:
[03:14:55] <andreask2> WikiStart imported from /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Trac-0.11.1-py2.3.egg/trac/wiki/default-pages/WikiStart
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[03:16:00] <andreask2> It does not react anymore. There is no cpu usage, it simply hangs. It does not import anything from svn.
[03:16:18] <andreask2> any ideas how I can find out what is gowig wrong?
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[03:28:26] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7546 (Ticket previewing hides 'New' status) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7546>
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[03:47:55] <osimons> cmlenz: got an issue with trac+genshi+babel that i just cannot figure out - tend to think it is genshi, but who knows (apart from you i think...)
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[03:48:31] <cmlenz> what is it?
[03:48:37] <asmodai> osimons: mmm?
[03:49:02] <osimons> cmlenz: i get a long traceback ending with "File "/Users/simon/dev/projects/tracdev/svn/genshi-0.5.x/genshi/filters/i18n.py", line 379, in append \n param = self.params.pop(0) - IndexError: pop from empty list
[03:49:31] <osimons> genshi 0.5.x r 898 works fine, 903 fails
[03:50:48] <osimons> it is i18n filter line 379 where on a trac error page (like 'milestone already exists' when tests try to create a duplicate milestone) it somehow sends an EXPR without parameters - and the pop() fails to check if list is not empty
[03:51:06] <osimons> disable babel and latest versions work fine
[03:51:29] <osimons> --- end of short version --- :-)
[03:52:51] <osimons> this is a fine mix of problems well suited to your insight - is it trac trunk that generates something it shouldnt? is it some babel stuff, is it genshi bug?
[03:53:12] <cmlenz> probably an error in the error template
[03:53:24] <cmlenz> and not so great error handling of this case in genshi
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[03:55:32] <cmlenz> hmm
[03:55:48] <cmlenz> is that caused by the <p i18n:msg="">Before you do that, though, please first try… element?
[03:56:38] <cmlenz> can you try getting rid of the py:with="q…" part and just use the quote_plus function directly
[03:56:44] <cmlenz> it's only used once anywat
[03:56:47] <cmlenz> anyway, even
[03:57:09] <osimons> now, what exactly are you talking about??? :-)
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[04:00:46] <osimons> right - the empty i18n removal was enough
[04:01:26] <cmlenz> well, can you check whether it's the py:with in there causing the trouble
[04:01:29] <cmlenz> that'd be good to know
[04:01:50] <osimons> i know have dropped the i18n and kept the py:with - all is well
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[04:04:06] <osimons> why does genshi explode with empty string? is it because the line 379 that just presumes self.params always has content?
[04:06:13] <osimons> by testing for it and only adding param/value if self.params (if not then just the regular (kind, data, pos)) all seems to work fine
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[04:39:04] <osimons> cmlenz: funny, but see we use the same i18n pattern some other places as well without a traceback. however, it does not look correct - my ticket page has: "Comment (you may use %()sWikiFormatting here)"...
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[04:39:51] <cmlenz> huh
[04:40:31] <osimons> searching trunk for i18n:msg="" gives 8 results
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[04:42:05] <osimons> 7 of them produce funny text, 1 crash
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[04:45:04] <cmlenz> I can't reproduce the error template problem
[04:46:27] <osimons> well, all trac-trunk tests pass for others it seems, so this makes it stranger
[04:46:59] <cmlenz> you're on genshi trunk?
[04:47:06] <osimons> 0.5.x latest
[04:47:15] <osimons> babel 0.9.x latest
[04:47:18] <osimons> trac trunk
[04:47:26] <cmlenz> try genshi trunk if possible
[04:48:07] <cmlenz> ah yeah it's only on 0.5.x
[04:49:39] <osimons> yes - trunk works
[04:49:45] <osimons> 0.5.x has errors
[04:50:56] <cmlenz> no, 0.5.x works too ;)
[04:51:13] <osimons> gawd...
[04:51:18] <cmlenz> just checked in a fix :P
[04:51:25] <cmlenz> or rather, backported the fix
[04:52:02] <cmlenz> no, who came up with those german translations? :P
[04:52:11] <cmlenz> "Fahrplan" ugh
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[04:56:23] <osimons> cmlenz: strangest thing. now i get latest 0.5.x working as well.
[04:56:35] <cmlenz> as I said, I just backported the fix
[04:56:40] <cmlenz> not so strange
[04:56:44] <osimons> ah
[04:57:07] * osimons needs to pay attention
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[05:03:01] <k0p> hi all
[05:03:14] <k0p> someone can help me with a anti-spam? :s
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[05:54:55] <nosklo> my source file in SVN is utf-8, but in trac it is rendering as iso-8859-15. How can I fix that? Must I annotate the codec for the file in some way? can I define a default?
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[06:16:43] <osimons> nosklo: trac.ini setting - [trac] default_charset = utf-8
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[06:23:24] <nosklo> osimons: thanks
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[07:19:04] <k0p> someone know a antispam? :(
[07:19:13] <k0p> spammers open tickets
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[07:29:49] <bencer> anyone can figure out a quick way to generate a link to a ticket to insert in a ticket comment from a Ticket object ?
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[07:31:32] <datallah> bencer: [#1234]
[07:33:48] <bencer> datallah: ok, i get the ticket id and the wiki syntax stuff does everything ... thanks
[07:34:29] <pacopablo> morning
[07:34:46] <pacopablo> k0p: you mean the spamfilter plugin ?
[07:35:16] <pacopablo> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/sandbox/spam-filter
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[07:37:29] <k0p> pacopablo, already installed :(
[07:38:02] <k0p> but spamming same :(
[07:40:01] <pacopablo> is it configured properly?
[07:40:20] <k0p> pacopablo, hmm
[07:40:27] <k0p> what do you mean?
[07:40:37] <pacopablo> additionally, you can use account manager to allow for registration and then deny posting to those that don't have an acocunt
[07:41:03] <pacopablo> k0p: I mean, you installed it, but did you configure it and make sure it's actually working?
[07:41:05] <k0p> pacopablo, well I can't do that ..
[07:41:20] <pacopablo> I'm pretty sure that it's not a simple, put egg in plugins dir and spamming stops
[07:41:20] <k0p> well it appear on admin
[07:41:35] <k0p> pacopablo, is possible block a user?
[07:41:38] <pacopablo> right, but there are config options such as using akismet or not, etc.
[07:41:43] <k0p> block a name in user field?
[07:41:50] <k0p> what is akismet?
[07:41:55] <pacopablo> not sure, I don't actually use the spamfilter plugin
[07:42:20] <pacopablo> http://akismet.com/
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[08:30:37] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7547 (missing tabs in main navigation bar) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7547>
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[08:50:12] <SKOM> how to convert SQLite databases to postgreSQL ? and how to configure it ?
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[08:54:30] <pacopablo> SKOM: there is a sqlite2pg script on t-h.o
[08:54:43] <SKOM> thxd
[08:54:46] <SKOM> what is t-h.o ?
[08:54:52] <pacopablo> trac-hacks.org
[08:55:12] <SKOM> thanks
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[09:12:29] <crichardso> osimons you arround mate?
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[09:22:52] <osimons> crichardso: barely. what's up?
[09:27:14] <crichardso> do you use mod_python?
[09:28:32] <crichardso> i built it from scratch since i am using python 2.5.2 but the silly thing is segfaulting and i cant figure out why was wondering if you have experinced this
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[09:52:34] <osimons> crichardso: centos wasn't it? no, i don't use mod_python there - only mod_wsgi
[09:53:06] <osimons> did you build python as a shared library?
[09:53:09] <crichardso> ya centos
[09:53:26] <crichardso> beats me i just did the defaults
[09:54:18] <osimons> what is your ./configure line for python and for mod_python?
[09:54:57] <crichardso> just ./configure
[09:55:14] <osimons> i do --enable-shared for the python
[09:55:34] <crichardso> for mod or just python?
[09:55:39] <osimons> python
[09:55:53] <osimons> it builds a python25.so
[09:56:22] <crichardso> should i disable threads if apache isnt using it for mod_python
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[09:56:28] <osimons> for mod_wsgi i do ./configure --with-python=/opt/bin/python2.5 => likely something similar for mod_python
[09:57:04] <osimons> what is ./configure for mod_python?
[09:57:08] <osimons> (yours)
[09:57:28] <crichardso> i did ./confugre --python=locationofbin
[09:59:59] <osimons> what is your exact segfault?