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August 21, 2008

[00:00:15] <twb> coderanger: it seems to me you're saying "users are stupid, and couldn't be trusted with this"
[00:00:32] <coderanger> eMBee: Indeed, looks different
[00:00:35] <twb> But there's no reason users couldn't just as easily do partial commits via the web interface
[00:01:01] <twb> Hell, I'd do that just because browsers crash a lot and take the <textarea> contents with them
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[00:01:11] <to_> hii
[00:01:24] <coderanger> eMBee: You might be able to make a backend plugin based on one of the two existing ones
[00:01:40] <coderanger> twb: No, I am saying a file system cannot offer the same interface as the web
[00:01:50] <coderanger> twb: Where is there a comment field when you save a file
[00:02:02] <twb> coderanger: the git commit message
[00:02:06] <coderanger> Just look at Subversion's DAV Autoversioning
[00:02:11] <coderanger> git != DAV
[00:02:22] <coderanger> so yes, making trac support the git protocol would work
[00:02:22] <twb> Understood; dav was a workaround because trac uses a database instead of a VCS
[00:02:26] <coderanger> that is much harder
[00:02:26] <to_> I've just installed trac 0.11.1 for a php project... When trying to preview a php file in the browser, I've got the following message : "HTML preview not available, since no preview renderer could handle it." How can I enable it ?
[00:03:18] <coderanger> to_: What colorer are you trying to use
[00:03:30] <coderanger> twb: Does git even have an HTTP-based transport?
[00:03:50] <eMBee> coderanger: well, i can install the right driver, i was just confused because the package name is the same as on debian, but in debian it contains the right driver
[00:03:50] <twb> coderanger: I assume so; hg certainly does.
[00:04:05] <twb> Git was just an example.
[00:04:09] <to_> coderanger: don't know, I've only got a default trac installation. Should I installed something else to preview php files?
[00:04:11] <twb> Any VCS would do.
[00:04:34] <coderanger> twb: Sounds reasonable, just a lot of work. I think you just volunteered :)
[00:05:38] <twb> coderanger: well, my Grand Vision is integrated, DISTRIBUTED issue tracking and wiki inside the same repo as the source code.
[00:05:45] <twb> (That's even more work.)
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[00:06:08] <coderanger> twb: You can look at Bugs Everywhere for the bts side
[00:06:09] <twb> It also has evil performance problems because dVCSs, unlike SVN, can't do subtree checkouts.
[00:06:14] <twb> coderanger: yeah, and ditrack
[00:06:23] <eMBee> coderanger: i didn't realize that this might be a different driver until you mentioned it, so thanks
[00:06:24] <twb> coderanger: they're still proof-of-concept quality
[00:06:37] <coderanger> all are perfectly reasonable goals, they are just not related to Trac
[00:07:08] <twb> coderanger: yup. Sorry for going off on a tangent.
[00:07:10] <to_> coderanger: I used to use trac 0.10 and I don't remember I had to install something else to preview php files... Is it different in trac 0.11 ?
[00:07:30] <coderanger> to_: You need some kind of colorer setup
[00:07:42] <coderanger> Or none, but then you just get plain text
[00:07:48] <coderanger> I would do two things
[00:08:00] <coderanger> 1) add this line to your [components] section in trac.ini
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[00:08:12] <coderanger> trac.mimeview.php.* = disabled
[00:08:14] <coderanger> 2) run this
[00:08:19] <coderanger> easy_install Pygments
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[00:11:18] <Le_Vert_> hello
[00:11:29] * eMBee found the right driver. seems to work now...
[00:11:36] <Le_Vert_> can someone give me some pointer about newsflash plugin / trac 0.11
[00:11:52] <Le_Vert_> since I upgrade, it seems there's no more specific css applied to the box
[00:11:55] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Should work fine, its a really tiny macro
[00:12:02] <Le_Vert_> http://www.museek-plus.org/
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[00:12:36] <Le_Vert_> when I was running 0.10 it's a a fixed size box on the right
[00:13:44] <Le_Vert_> if you have an idea about what's broken coderanger
[00:13:48] <Le_Vert_> I'd love it :p
[00:14:10] <coderanger> It isn't loading the stylesheet
[00:14:12] <coderanger> one sec
[00:14:40] <Le_Vert_> yeah that's why I guessed
[00:14:56] <to_> coderanger: so I need to install pygment? I was wondering it has been included in 0.11 core
[00:15:13] <coderanger> to_: Pygments support is included, not hte library itself
[00:15:20] <to_> ohw ok
[00:15:30] <to_> thank you coderanger
[00:15:52] <to_> your advises are always precious
[00:16:26] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: The macro is pretty old, one sec
[00:17:33] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7554 (Cannot create atachement catalog (OSError: [Errno 36])) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7554>
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[00:25:00] <asmodai> coderanger: hey dude
[00:29:11] <to_> coderanger: once pygments installed, how can I enabled it ?
[00:29:20] <coderanger> It will do that for you
[00:29:23] <coderanger> just restart the server
[00:29:40] <to_> thx ;)
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[00:32:33] <to_> coderanger: just restarted, but no colorization yet :/
[00:33:04] <coderanger> The filename ends in .php?
[00:33:16] <coderanger> Also, how did you install pygments
[00:33:28] <to_> the file name is : admin.hotproperty.php so yes
[00:33:33] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Try this http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TracNewsFlash/1.0
[00:34:32] <to_> coderanger: `easy_install Pygments` : http://pastie.org/257045
[00:35:13] <Le_Vert_> okay coderanger
[00:36:14] <rblank> Is there a policy for trailing whitespace in source files? I couldn't find one in the dev guidelines, but I see thatch has fixed some on one of my commits.
[00:36:15] <coderanger> to_: If you open the About Trac page, do you see the version of pygments listed
[00:37:37] <to_> coderanger: no, can't see any pygments related line
[00:37:44] <coderanger> @logging
[00:37:45] <evil_twin> coderanger: "logging" is http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLogging <-- Enable debug logging to file, ensure your environments log/ directory is writeable by your web server user, check for errors.
[00:37:58] <coderanger> Check the log, see if it has an error when loading trac.mimeview.pygments
[00:38:23] <to_> coderanger: oki ;)
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[00:40:54] <Le_Vert_> errr
[00:40:56] <Le_Vert_> coderanger
[00:40:58] <Le_Vert_> No macro or processor named 'NewsFlashStart' found
[00:41:09] <Le_Vert_> find /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages -iname '*news*'
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[00:41:13] <Le_Vert_> only returns
[00:41:18] <Le_Vert_> "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/TracNewsFlash-1.0-py2.5.egg"
[00:41:31] <coderanger> it isn't loading the plugin
[00:41:33] <coderanger> check the log
[00:41:49] <Le_Vert_> root of site-packages is the right directory ?
[00:41:55] <coderanger> yes
[00:42:10] <coderanger> you have the plugin enabled. right?
[00:42:21] <Le_Vert_> newsflash.* = enabled
[00:42:27] <coderanger> okay
[00:42:32] <coderanger> so yeah, check the log
[00:42:53] <to_> coderanger: http://pastie.org/257049
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[00:43:17] <to_> 2008-08-21 15:39:34,308 Trac[loader] DEBUG: Skipping "trac.mimeview.pygments = trac.mimeview.pygments [pygments]": ("Pygments>=0.6" not found)
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[00:43:37] <coderanger> to_: You installed pygments to Python 2.4, Trac is running using 2.5
[00:43:48] <coderanger> try easy_install-2.5 Pygments
[00:43:52] <to_> ;)
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[00:44:31] <Le_Vert_> coderanger: debug log enabled
[00:44:40] <Le_Vert_> nothing shown about newsflash
[00:45:00] <Le_Vert_> 2008-08-21 09:44:10,943 Trac[main] WARNING: 404 Not Found (File js/jquery.js not found) < maybe this one ?
[00:45:27] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Nothing at all? Thats bad
[00:45:47] <Le_Vert_> I'll put the log on pastebin
[00:46:55] <to_> coderanger: command not found
[00:46:58] <to_> :(
[00:47:40] <coderanger> to_: You could also download the tarball and run setup.py with your python 2.5 binary
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[00:48:59] <Le_Vert_> codranger
[00:49:03] <Le_Vert_> trac log: http://www.le-vert.net/divers/trac.log
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[00:50:51] <eMBee> hmm, i can't get tracd to prompt me for a password
[00:51:12] <eMBee> i followed the instructions on http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracStandalone
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[00:52:07] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: How did you install Trac
[00:52:14] <Le_Vert_> debian packages
[00:52:17] <coderanger> eMBee: What is your exact command line
[00:52:19] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Which
[00:52:30] <coderanger> They must have been fairly old ones
[00:52:32] <Le_Vert_> currently 0.11-3
[00:52:46] <Le_Vert_> but theses tracs have existed for ages
[00:52:49] <coderanger> You are using a non-egg install, this is not supported
[00:52:53] <Le_Vert_> probably create using 0.8 or 0.9
[00:53:10] <coderanger> its not the instance, its the trac code
[00:53:23] <eMBee> coderanger: tracd --basic-auth=MyProject,/var/myproject/svn_repository/dav_svn.passwd,/var/myproject/trac/ /var/myproject/trac/
[00:53:36] <Le_Vert_> could you give me original newflashplugin sources
[00:53:37] <coderanger> I already spoke with the debian maintainer and the current 0.11 packages install into an egg file correctly
[00:53:39] <Le_Vert_> with setup.py
[00:53:46] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Its up on trac-hacks
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[00:54:28] <coderanger> eMBee: That first part in the basic-auth argument must be the same as the part of the env path (in this case "trac")
[00:54:33] <coderanger> also you probably want a -s in there
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[00:54:44] <eMBee> -s?
[00:54:49] <coderanger> --single-project
[00:56:15] <eMBee> hmm, does not work, this is an old 0.9.3 installation
[00:56:33] <Le_Vert_> [09:53] <coderanger> You are using a non-egg install, this is not supported
[00:56:35] <Le_Vert_> [09:54] <coderanger> I already spoke with the debian maintainer and the current 0.11 packages install into an egg file correctly
[00:56:44] <Le_Vert_> there's something I don't understand :D
[00:57:01] <Le_Vert_> oh, got it
[00:57:13] <coderanger> Le_Vert_: Normally trac installs into a .egg folder inside site-packages
[00:57:16] <Le_Vert_> you mean I shouldn't use debian package and rather use original trac 0.11 sources
[00:57:27] <Le_Vert_> which is not so crap because everything gets installed into an egg
[00:57:29] <coderanger> Or a more recent debian package
[00:57:41] <Le_Vert_> this is the latest debian package
[00:57:43] <Le_Vert_> I guess
[00:58:09] <Le_Vert_> no you're right
[00:58:14] <Le_Vert_> it has been updated in unstable
[00:58:16] * Le_Vert_ upgrades
[01:00:41] <Le_Vert_> upgraded successfully, newflash egg still doesn't works
[01:00:47] <Le_Vert_> let's forget this stupid eggs :D
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[01:02:27] <coderanger> Run this
[01:02:45] <to_> coderanger: since I can't find the easy_install2.5 on my OS, can I `easy_install2.4 http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.4/P/Pygments/Pygments-0.10-py2.4.egg#md5=64cd2373677945c6b1a4fc6443dddcf4`I mean the 2.4 version of pygments ?
[01:03:16] <to_> will it work with trac 0.11?
[01:03:16] <coderanger> python -c 'import pkg_resources; print pkg_resources.require("Trac")'
[01:03:35] <coderanger> to_: No, that will install it to 2.4
[01:03:41] <coderanger> just download the source
[01:03:58] <coderanger> and do /opt/local/bin/python2.5 setup.py install
[01:04:22] <to_> but I haven't a mercurial client to checkout a copy, and can't find any tarball directly
[01:05:11] <coderanger> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Pygments/Pygments-0.10.tar.gz#md5=1f24bee773010d0d53690a6f4bdc8bdb
[01:05:19] <coderanger> right there :P
[01:05:27] <to_> ;) thx
[01:05:37] <Le_Vert_> coderanger: loads again
[01:05:40] <Le_Vert_> but still no css
[01:05:42] <Le_Vert_> http://www.museek-plus.org/wiki
[01:05:58] <coderanger> Is it loading the plugin with no errors?
[01:06:00] <Le_Vert_> I checked out 0.11 branch from subversion and ran setup.py install
[01:06:10] <Le_Vert_> http://www.museek-plus.org/wiki
[01:06:12] <Le_Vert_> it seems so
[01:06:17] <coderanger> No, look in the log
[01:07:23] <Le_Vert_> 2008-08-21 10:05:54,507 Trac[loader] DEBUG: Loading newsflash.macro from /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/TracNewsFlash-1.0-py2.5.egg
[01:07:41] <coderanger> okay
[01:07:48] <coderanger> and the CSS script is being added
[01:07:51] <coderanger> just isn't executing
[01:07:53] <coderanger> odd
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[01:09:12] <Le_Vert_> git it :p
[01:09:13] <Le_Vert_> got
[01:09:28] <Le_Vert_> I noticed the log was talking about chrome/newsflash/css/newsflash.css
[01:09:42] <Le_Vert_> so I tried to access this url and got a trac traceback
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[01:09:51] <Le_Vert_> create .egg-cache on trac env root
[01:09:55] <Le_Vert_> and chown it to www-data
[01:10:30] <coderanger> there it goes
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[01:10:59] <Le_Vert_> thanks for your help coderanger :)
[01:10:59] * coderanger does the It Wasn't My Code's Fault dance :)
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[01:11:11] <Le_Vert_> 0.10 to 0.11 migration is nearly finished :p
[01:11:26] <Le_Vert_> yeah maybe it wasn't your fault
[01:11:33] <Le_Vert_> but you've created a 0.11 branch
[01:11:44] <Le_Vert_> so I'm sure there was some crap on your hand to :p
[01:12:01] <coderanger> Given that the old version was from 0.9 ... :P
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[01:23:47] <Sixer> Hi. Does a web admin system exist that allows you to create new project( environment)s ?
[01:24:18] <coderanger> several, in various stages of completeness
[01:24:19] <Sixer> Running 0.11rc2
[01:24:26] <coderanger> the only public one I know of is tracforge
[01:24:34] <Sixer> ty
[01:24:51] <coderanger> but the 0.11 version (the one with the working project builder) is unfinished
[01:25:12] <Sixer> What would be the recommended way to allow coworkers to create projects?
[01:25:13] <coderanger> the project builder and some other features work, but central permissions is still grumpy
[01:25:16] <Sixer> They're not CLI savvy
[01:25:22] <coderanger> "Email me"
[01:25:28] <Sixer> hm, 'kay
[01:25:36] <coderanger> or make some kind of simple interactive batch script
[01:26:04] <Sixer> Maybe I'll hack together a PHP frontend of my own
[01:26:53] <coderanger> you are welcome to try the TF builder
[01:27:18] <coderanger> just don't use central perms/groups and don't be afraid to get your hands dirty if you need to make a new prototype step
[01:27:58] <coderanger> (and don't sue me if it breaks)
[01:28:00] <Sixer> I will
[01:28:05] <Sixer> try it, that is ;)
[01:29:26] <Sixer> Where would I obtain a 0.11 compatible version?
[01:29:36] <coderanger> The 0.11 folder in the repo
[01:29:39] <Sixer> k
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[01:50:05] <Meliorator> hi all, i'm a newbie to Trac and have just completed my first successful install of it. i now want to setup the "announce stuff to irc" side of things, but am having little luck searching google. can someone point me in the right direction please?
[01:52:11] <coderanger> timeline RSS feed + any IRC bot ever
[01:52:17] <coderanger> @version
[01:52:18] <evil_twin> coderanger: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
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[01:52:37] <Meliorator> ah ok, thanks
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[01:53:55] <Sixer> coderanger: How do I install the 0.11 dist? setup.py quits.
[01:54:04] <Sixer> of tracforge of course
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[02:05:35] <ngong> upgraded Debian based trac 0.10-4 to 0.11-3, upgraded the project as well using trac-admin, however, mercurial is still not recognized, any idea why?
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[02:48:31] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7555 (when i select wrong logging setting i can't use trac again even i restart ...) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7555>
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[03:02:11] <to_> I don't really know what to set for my 'components' ...
[03:02:19] <to_> any examples?
[03:06:45] <asmodai> ngong: did you install the mercurial plugin?
[03:07:25] <asmodai> to_: e.g. documentation, algorithms, website, ui, translation, templates
[03:07:26] <asmodai> you name it
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[03:18:41] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #1115 (default_charset option not working) reopened <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1115#comment:11>
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[03:24:03] <Sixer> coderanger: Sir
[03:24:30] <Sixer> coderanger: TracForge 0.11 setup.py is disabled, how do I proceed?
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[03:59:04] * eMBee got login working with apache, but keeps getting errors like: WIKI_VIEW privileges are required to perform this operation
[03:59:27] <eMBee> this is not a new setup, but a trac database dopied from another machine
[04:00:00] <eMBee> meaning svn repo, trac environment snd postgres db are copied
[04:00:31] <eMBee> somewhere something is missing, that i can't figure out
[04:07:46] <kirean> eMBee permissions?
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[04:09:57] <eMBee> permissions are in the database
[04:12:02] <eMBee> is it possible to get more verbose logging? so i can eg see as what user trac thinks i am logged in and what permission i should have?
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[04:25:16] <ngong> asmodai: yes with 10.4, do I have to do something with 11.3 that may not be covered by the Debian package?
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[04:31:06] <asmodai> ngong: for 11.x you need a matching plugin
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[05:07:54] <Olekj> hi
[05:08:18] <Olekj> is the channel active?
[05:08:32] <Sixer> nope, hold on
[05:08:39] <Sixer> Channel - activate!
[05:08:54] <Olekj> good one :)
[05:09:12] <Olekj> I have a problem with managing a Trac installation
[05:09:39] <Olekj> I'm using tracd with htdigest file
[05:09:48] <Olekj> I have many projects in one directory
[05:10:02] <Olekj> and start the tracd with the option setting the parent directory
[05:10:23] <Olekj> I'm using one common htdigest file for all projects
[05:10:56] <Olekj> the problem is that if I log into one project
[05:11:01] <Olekj> I cannot log in to the others
[05:16:55] <Olekj> hmmm, this channel is not really *that* active :)
[05:17:15] <Sixer> sorry, I have no idea, I'm much of a newcomer myelf
[05:18:51] <Olekj> I see
[05:19:02] <Olekj> I'll wait for a while, then
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[05:43:04] <kirean> Olekj: you need to find the right time to be on this channel.. coderanger is the expert and I think he's asleep right now
[05:43:44] <kirean> people here are really helpful..
[05:44:48] <Olekj> ok thank you
[05:45:03] <Olekj> I will be online and see, maybe later there will be more traffic
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[06:07:39] <Botanic> is it possible to use trac with modrewrite in apache?
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[06:20:00] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7491]: newhelp: Merged log:/trunk@7091:7490 <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7491>
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[06:31:38] <ngong> asmodai: Thanks, I did how you suggested, installed TracMercurial for 0.11, however there is still the message of "unsupported version control system hg", any suggestion for a next step in order to find the problem?
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[06:35:24] <asmodai> You do have Mercurial installed on the system? :)
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[06:40:33] <ngong> asmodai: yes, hg --help shows all available commands
[06:42:36] <asmodai> ngong: so from a python prompt you can import mercurial?
[06:43:16] <asmodai> ngong: http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7346
[06:43:19] <asmodai> also read stuff from there
[06:43:26] <asmodai> You're not the first one
[06:44:21] <ngong> I do not know nothing about python, sorry, how to get a prompt and what does "import mercurial" mean?
[06:44:53] <asmodai> $ python
[06:44:59] <asmodai> >>> import mercurial
[06:45:07] <asmodai> if it prints
[06:45:08] <asmodai> >>>
[06:45:16] <asmodai> it went well and it can at least import the mercurial module
[06:45:23] <asmodai> and then the problem is elsewhere (read that ticket)
[06:45:31] <ngong> it prints >>>
[06:45:35] <asmodai> I don't use hg with Trac so I only can provide general advice
[06:45:40] <asmodai> You'll need cboos
[06:45:52] <asmodai> but that ticket has a lot of troubleshooting
[06:46:06] <asmodai> e.g. http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7346#comment:11
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[06:53:49] <lcanas_home> Hi all, i have a question a bit bizarre. Anyone know what's the licence of OForge (based in TRAC)?
[06:54:15] <jhammel> doki_pen: ^ ?
[06:54:43] <ngong> asmodai: super! the Mercurial Connector was not enabled. I enabled it and could browse the source again.
[06:55:16] <asmodai> ngong: welcome
[06:56:17] <elb> well, it looks like yesterdays improvements to the pidgin trac setup didn't really fix anything ... the load was just dropping
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[06:56:21] <elb> it's pretty chewed up again
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[06:57:32] <asmodai> ngong: I'll add that as a troubleshooting one
[06:58:26] <ngong> asmodai: thank you
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[07:03:27] <asmodai> ngong: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial#Troubleshooting
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[07:03:57] <asmodai> ngong: I guess that would've helped you
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[07:10:18] <osimons> jborg: howdy
[07:10:40] <jborg> hey osimons
[07:11:17] <osimons> jborg: it seems my last changeset (merge => newhelp) was a tad on the large side - it seems to bring the server to a crawl, and i can't get it viewed. not good?
[07:16:14] <jborg> osimons: oh, I guess we'll have to figure out how to handle this better.
[07:16:21] <jborg> But for now I've redirected that url to '/'
[07:16:43] * asmodai waves at osimons and jborg
[07:16:50] <jborg> hey asmodai
[07:17:31] <asmodai> Sup/
[07:18:35] <doki_pen> jhammel: hello
[07:18:41] <doki_pen> sorry, running late today
[07:18:49] <doki_pen> just got in to work. 80
[07:19:16] <jhammel> doki_pen: lcanas_home was asking about the license for oforge. but now he's gone
[07:19:21] <jhammel> doki_pen: 80?
[07:20:02] <doki_pen> it's eyes wide open and mouth agape
[07:20:26] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracMercurial edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracMercurial?version=47>
[07:20:52] <jhammel> doki_pen: and i thought it was just the webserver port ;)
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[07:22:34] <doki_pen> anyway, the license on oforge is GPL if you download the whole thing
[07:22:52] <doki_pen> if you take just parts, then whatever license they have
[07:22:57] <doki_pen> which is usually BSD
[07:23:18] <doki_pen> all original software that we wrote for oforge is BSD
[07:23:34] <doki_pen>