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August 22, 2008

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[00:27:48] <asmodai> aat: do you know if it is possible to change an email subscribed (list-subscribe@googlegroups.com) account to change delivery from normal email to digest via email?
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[01:27:49] <eMBee> good afternoon
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[02:00:54] <aat> asmodai: i'm not sure
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[02:14:37] <asmodai> aat: couldn't find any :(
[02:15:01] <asmodai> aat: had you seen http://pythoscope.org?
[02:28:35] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers?version=737> || TracUsers edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers?version=736>
[02:48:28] <aat> ooh
[02:48:30] <aat> that's cool
[02:48:58] * eMBee has a problem with permissions
[02:49:31] <eMBee> i set up apache to run trac, and it asks for a login, but on the trac side it appears as if only anonymous is connecting
[02:50:12] <eMBee> i checked with hdfdump=1, there is an authname = anonymous
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[03:05:11] <eMBee> i also verified that trac does get the permissions correctly from the database (trac-admin /env permission list myname; so the problem must be the auth going from apache to trac
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[03:46:56] <pagenoare> hi
[03:47:04] <pagenoare> a create trac site by trac-admin
[03:47:26] <eMBee> my problem seems to be teh same as http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/msg/bad4228636919f31
[03:47:46] <pagenoare> http://dpaste.com/73181/ -> wsgi file
[03:48:05] <pagenoare> in httpd.conf: WSGIScriptAlias /trac /home/ispcp/www/virtual/repo.parduslinux.pl/htdocs/trac/repo.wsgi
[03:50:44] <pagenoare> in .htaccess: http://dpaste.com/73183/
[03:51:01] <pagenoare> and i have
[03:51:03] <pagenoare> Error 500!
[03:51:05] <pagenoare> Internal Server Error!
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[04:54:33] <asmodai> hey jborg
[05:29:45] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: SeaChange/WhatUsersWant edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/SeaChange/WhatUsersWant?version=49>
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[06:59:39] <P42lab> Good evening ladies and gents
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[07:00:15] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7521 (.egg-cache shows up in projects env since upgrade from r7341 to 0.11.1) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7521#comment:5>
[07:00:20] <P42> Anybody around I have a question perhaps someone can help me with?
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[07:00:36] <retracile> P42: just ask, and if anyone knows, maybe they'll pipe up.
[07:01:14] <P42> Thankyou retracile. I have seen CoolFluid which eventually lead me Trac, Though I'm not exactly sure how to get "Coolfluid".
[07:01:44] <retracile> P42: what is coolfluid?
[07:02:12] <P42> I suppose I should ask, what is "Trac" :D Cool fluid is a CFD program developed by Von something university
[07:02:21] <retracile> Ah. then:
[07:02:25] <retracile> @wrongchannel
[07:02:26] <evil_twin> retracile: "wrongchannel" is This channel is for Trac, the project management software. You are probably looking at the website of a project that uses Trac to run their operations. Chances are we don't know anything about their project, but try looking on their website for more specific support instructions. /list will usually show you a list of all channels on this IRC server, and you can also try looking there.
[07:02:26] <P42> It looks very interesting
[07:02:57] <retracile> P42: it's wiki + source browser + bug tracker
[07:03:08] <P42> i see
[07:03:09] <retracile> + some project management support
[07:03:24] <P42> Retracile thankyou very much for your assistance
[07:03:37] <retracile> Very flexible; has a plugin architecture; is written in python.
[07:03:55] <P42> Thats good, i'm sort of familiar with blender
[07:04:15] <P42> I use python scripts in that occasionally
[07:04:45] <P42> and edit them when they ...don't...do...what...they..are...supposed to and bang my head on the desk alot
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[07:05:07] <retracile> Welcome to the world of computers. ;)
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[07:17:51] <P42> My kingdom for a half decent CFD program!
[07:18:10] <P42> CFdesign is kaput!
[07:18:12] <jhammel> CFD=computational fluid dynamics?
[07:18:16] <P42> Bingo
[07:18:26] <jhammel> i used to do that ;)
[07:18:27] <davidfraser> Bingo uses Computational Fluid Dynamics? Well I never...
[07:18:53] <P42> hehehe
[07:19:13] <jhammel> davidfraser: no, Bingo *is* a half-decent CFD engine
[07:19:23] <P42> The only decent one I can find for pulsed combustion is one from nasa, and is going to take a while to aquire
[07:20:03] <jhammel> P42: i've found the scientific modeling software world to be a very difficult community...not a lot of emphasis on making extensible code
[07:21:31] <P42> You can say that again, most things I see are just pretty pictures over shapes, when you wanna get into the crux of it, better take the 9 year correspondence course
[07:22:42] <P42> jhammel did you play in openflower at all?
[07:23:11] <jhammel> P42: most of my experience involved presenting what we're planning on doing next year as this year's results, and our proposal for next year being what we might do 2 years from now; all smoke and mirrors (by which i mean, PP presentations)
[07:23:19] <jhammel> P42: no, what is openflower?
[07:23:39] <P42> Open source flow solver, just looking at it now
[07:23:49] <P42> Hahah thats a cracker by the jhammel
[07:24:17] <jhammel> P42: i guess that's how much of the world works, though :(
[07:25:37] <P42> Cause right now, I can get 5 times more shit done prototyping then I can CFDing, and its never the same, even when we did everything we possibly could to model it perfectly. The results are 9 times out of 10 completely retarded, the other 1 time is mildly retarded
[07:26:08] <jhammel> hah!
[07:26:54] <P42> A guy on our team said it best
[07:27:01] <jhammel> one of my former colleagues was working on modeling an experiment with MHD....after years of effort, his "good results" were off by a factor of 100
[07:27:09] <jhammel> but they looked okay on logscale ;)
[07:27:19] <P42> LOL
[07:27:39] <P42> gotta give it to him for trying though
[07:28:23] <jhammel> yeah; he knew that the equations he was using were completely inadequate for the problem, but he wanted his degree so he didn't say that in his defense
[07:28:36] <jhammel> (nor was it his choice to use them)
[07:28:47] <P42> hehe true
[07:29:03] <jhammel> ah, war stories ;)
[07:29:43] <P42> http://openflower.sourceforge.net/whatis.html
[07:29:51] <P42> looks pretty cool
[07:29:58] <P42> worth a gander anyway :)
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[07:33:18] <jhammel> P42: yeah, looks interesting anyway. and it even claims to do turbulence
[07:34:08] <jhammel> in general, i trust finite volume codes more than finite element, though i guess that has less to do with the method than the hand-waviness often found in finite element algorithms
[07:36:01] <P42> what did you use you had success with?
[07:37:06] <P42> most of the open source stuff seems like a nightmare to setup
[07:38:00] <jhammel> most of the codes i've used were developed in-house (and were horribly messy and also a nightmare to setup), though i went on to do kinetic simulations more so than CFD mainly because i found them more interesting (and often easier to understand)
[07:38:52] <jhammel> but obviously those only work with a high Knudsen number
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[07:40:48] <P42> Well to be honest we were happy with our ramjet simulations in Flowworks, but pulsed combustion seems like it can only be done in FAST
[07:40:56] <P42> and nasa hasn't gotten back to me yet it just aint fair
[07:41:16] * retracile marvels at the range of interesting topics covered in this channel :)
[07:41:59] <P42> infact
[07:42:03] <P42> if you go to youtube
[07:42:21] <P42> i'll find the link
[07:42:48] <P42> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSiER26ZHBg
[07:43:10] <P42> Thats FAST, note how good it is at pressure wave reflections, thats what we need
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[07:47:39] <jhammel> P42: pretty cool!
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[08:05:11] <andrei2102> retracile: i replied to your email, sorry that i didn't find time until now for that
[08:05:42] <retracile> andrei2102: that's fine... I've been struggling to make time for Trac stuff myself. :(
[08:06:40] <andrei2102> retracile: i just switched focus to a query module thing :)
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[08:10:04] <jhammel> ^ such an awful name for such a smart guy
[08:12:31] <ErikRose> I wonder if TracSpamFilter is fouling my upgrade.
[08:13:25] <ErikRose> Reading the source, I see my DB version is 21, so it shouldn't be causing my "env needs an upgrade" error.
[08:13:56] <ErikRose> All I can figure out is that there's another participant that thinks it needs an upgrade.
[08:14:06] <ErikRose> And there is a spamfilter_version in the system table.
[08:14:19] <ErikRose> The strange thing is that I don't have the spamfilter module installed on this staging server where I'm trying the upgrade.
[08:14:44] <ErikRose> I'm going to have to take Trac out of FastCGI mode and set a breakpoint.
[08:15:41] <ErikRose> Where the heck are we hiding tracd these days?
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[08:18:28] <ErikRose> Hmm, okay, no spamfilter in the setup_participants...
[08:19:18] <ErikRose> Hmm. It's ConfigurableTicketWorkflow.
[08:20:17] <ErikRose> Huh, it must think there's no [ticket-workflow] section in the .ini.
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[08:20:25] <ErikRose> heh
[08:20:34] <ErikRose> I'm on 0.11.0, I'll warn.
[08:20:43] <ErikRose> (Debian packages. :-/)
[08:21:02] <ErikRose> (Ordinarily, that would be a big smiley face.)
[08:23:10] <ErikRose> Huh, I see a big fat ticket-workflow section...
[08:24:32] <ErikRose> It doesn't seem to be finding my trac.ini at all.
[08:24:48] <ErikRose> Does that still live in env/conf/trac.ini?
[08:24:57] <ErikRose> trac-admin upgrade seemed to find it okay.
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[08:27:19] <ErikRose> Boy, the Trac codebase is really nice.
[08:27:26] * ErikRose is used to reading Zope code.
[08:27:37] <ErikRose> Zope 2, particularly
[08:29:18] <ErikRose> I can follow it effortlessly, and yet it's still very extensible.
[08:29:32] * ErikRose wonders what he's missing.
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[08:39:07] <ErikRose> Oh, for Pete's sake. trac.ini isn't readable by the user I'm running Trac as.
[08:39:15] <ErikRose> That's what I get for porting tarballs of envs around.
[08:41:45] <retracile> ErikRose: *doh* I'd never have guessed that one
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[08:58:57] <ErikRose> Yeah, me neither, apparently. :-)
[08:59:07] <ErikRose> One of those "Of course that much is working" things
[09:01:43] <ErikRose> So I guess things like env/templates/site_footer.cs don't kick in anymore?
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[09:08:04] <retracile> ErikRose: I don't think so, given the change to genshi. But I never customized my installs that much anyway....
[09:08:23] <ErikRose> I have a 20-environment install, so this is great fun. :-)
[09:08:41] <ErikRose> http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users/browse_thread/thread/70487fb2c406c937/4ab6c140778eebc0 helps, though.
[09:08:52] <ErikRose> How're things going, retracile?
[09:09:00] <ErikRose> Long time, no C
[09:10:14] <ErikRose> Which I see ended up on the TracInterfaceCustomization page. Good.
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[09:13:12] <retracile> ErikRose: Going ok, but finding time for trac is proving difficult at the moment :(*
[09:13:29] <ErikRose> You need to rig a way to get paid for this. :-)
[09:13:56] <retracile> ErikRose: I managed that for about a year, ya know. :)
[09:13:59] <ErikRose> Trac's too easy to do consulting for. You need to make a mess of it like Plone.
[09:14:11] <ErikRose> I didn't. Nice!
[09:14:32] <retracile> heh. Have you /looked/ at the ticket code? It's in desperate need of some cleanup.
[09:14:39] <ErikRose> I've thought about reading a couple project management books and going around installing Trac and evangelizing.
[09:14:51] <ErikRose> I've not.
[09:15:03] <ErikRose> At least Trac uses all new-style classes. :-P
[09:26:06] <ErikRose> I can't believe I just got away with a malformed Genshi template, but I'm in business.
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[10:08:42] <ErikRose> Hmm, FootNoteMacro doesn't seem to be too happy at trac-hacks. http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/FootNoteMacro
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[10:45:25] <HenrikV> is it possible to use trac on postgres without a password, using ident auth?
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[10:49:07] <dr_gogeta86> hi to all
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[10:50:57] <dr_gogeta86> is there anybody here
[10:51:22] <jhammel> Dr. Gogeta86, I presume
[10:51:42] <dr_gogeta86> hi jhammel
[10:52:47] <dr_gogeta86> anyone here knows how to aggregate ticket from many tracs in one rss feeds
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[10:52:59] <dr_gogeta86> based on owners
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[10:53:29] <jhammel> use a feed aggreagator?
[10:55:18] <dr_gogeta86> any trac plugins
[10:55:20] <dr_gogeta86> ?
[10:55:50] <jhammel> not to my knowledge. it would be easy to wrap a feed aggregator in a plugin, though
[11:00:37] <dr_gogeta86> jhammel, but is possible have many progects into single trac
[11:00:38] <dr_gogeta86> ?
[11:00:40] <dr_gogeta86> ?
[11:00:55] <jhammel> dr_gogeta86: sorta?
[11:01:12] <jhammel> dr_gogeta86: depends what you mean and how far you're willing to go to get it working
[11:01:20] <jhammel> dr_gogeta86: serving multiple projects? absolutely
[11:01:21] <dr_gogeta86> i have trac1 and trac2 i wanna merge in trac3
[11:01:31] <jhammel> dr_gogeta86: having them talk to each other? more tricky
[11:01:38] <jhammel> dr_gogeta86: merge?
[11:02:54] <dr_gogeta86> i have many projects
[11:03:01] <dr_gogeta86> with sigle trac
[11:04:48] <dr_gogeta86> my mission is to track manage people beetween progects
[11:05:54] <elb> coderanger: you didn't get a chance to look at that profile log, did you?
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[11:17:02] <HenrikV> anyone using trac with postgres ident authentication?
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[11:22:38] <elb> my hotshot doesn't seem to like it
[11:22:40] <elb> but I'm python-dumb
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[11:27:26] <HenrikV> hmm, How do you hunt down the reasoning behind the status of wontfix for http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6742 ?
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[11:30:23] <elb> looks to me like it's because it's not a trac bug :-P
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[11:33:32] <HenrikV> just odd because I am running Django using ident auth, and that is python as well
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[11:41:35] <jhammel> er, wrong channel, but whatever
[11:43:56] <JimB> Hi! I'm having trouble getting my trac installation working.
[11:44:11] <JimB> I develop apps on Tomcat on Windows XP, but don't know Python. I'm trying to install TRAC. I worked my way through the various online guides, including the troubleshooting ones, but I'm still stumped. I got svn/webdav working, installed a brazillion python packages, install logs are good, and I am testing using tracd. It says "server started", and displays a log message when I "hit" the...
[11:44:12] <JimB> ...site, which displays "Available Projects" in the browser with a link to "My Project" (loalhost:8000/my-project). But when I click on the project, I get a python "memory could not be read" error. The trac log shows says "Skipping" some items as not found (I can list them if relevant) and ends with the messages Dispatching <Request ""GET u'/'"> and Subversion bindings imported.
[11:45:04] <JimB> Craving sugestions.
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[12:24:08] <ryanduff> just a quick question i've been trying to dig up an answer for... is there a way to revert timestamp display on old tickets to the date and time instead of xx days/weeks/months ago?
[12:24:19] <ryanduff> i looked through trac.ini and didn't see any option
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[13:28:47] <osimons> ryanduff: nope, no option for that
[13:31:00] <ryanduff> osimons: thanks... i didn't think so, but i wanted to make sure i didn't miss it anywhere
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[13:44:45] <rblank> Hello there. I'm trying to put up a warning with chrome.add_warning that contains markup. Unfortunately, add_warning does a % string expansion. Any clean way to do that (besides replace("%", "%%"))?
[13:45:09] <rblank> The markup does contain % chars.
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[14:33:32] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7494]: 0.11-stable: Added a notice to the "403 Forbidden" error page for ... <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7494>
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[14:40:21] <marlun> Where is trac.fcgi located?
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[14:44:50] <marlun> I can't seem to find it...
[14:45:07] <marlun> I installed Trac using easy_install.
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[15:03:44] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Changeset [7495]: Merged [7493:7494] from 0.11-stable. <http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7495> || Ticket #5340 (Patch to redirect unauthenticated users to login) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/5340#comment:16>
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[15:14:39] <HenrikV> anyone using nginx? PATH_INFO doesn't seem to be a known variable
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[15:22:14] <Pokshun> Is there a way I can assign ticks to more than 1 person simoultanously?
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[16:26:39] <Pokshun> Guys is there a way I can change the default "Available Reports" view ?
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[16:48:12] <hansbrix> hi, how can i set the default user in assign-to?
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