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August 28, 2008

[00:00:12] <coderanger> huh?
[00:00:17] <kirean> eMBee: it says what dirs to create
[00:00:20] <kirean> and which files
[00:00:25] <kirean> and what content of the files
[00:00:49] * eMBee rereads
[00:01:01] <coderanger> You are making this too complicate
[00:01:13] <coderanger> just look at the source for a well-made plugin
[00:01:25] * coderanger finds one he isn't embarrased by
[00:01:36] <eMBee> you are right, this one does, the TracDev/PluginDevelopment page does not
[00:01:42] <coderanger> http://trac-hacks.org/browser/privateticketsplugin/0.11
[00:02:07] <coderanger> Just look at how the files are setup for that plugin
[00:07:55] <eMBee> thanks, EggCookingTutorialTrac0.11 is sufficiently clear, i was just confused by the other page because that has pieces missing
[00:08:32] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7569 (improved user groups) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7569#comment:1>
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[00:38:47] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7571 (data analysis visualization problems with .nc output from 2D5) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7571> || Ticket #7570 (data analysis visualization problems with .nc output from 2D5) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7570>
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[01:08:59] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7571 (data analysis visualization problems with .nc output from 2D5) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7571#comment:1> || Ticket #7570 (data analysis visualization problems with .nc output from 2D5) closed <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7570#comment:1>
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[01:49:23] <Hoxolotl> <type 'exceptions.EnvironmentError'> "eeep" *calls in his cavalry*
[01:50:58] <Hoxolotl> The environment options "TRAC_ENV" or "TRAC_ENV_PARENT_DIR" or the mod_python options "TracEnv" or "TracEnvParentDir" are missing. no they're not... so says my coder...oh well, lets hope he can think about it and fix it ;)
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[04:16:18] <Sharky> Hello all, new to this channel :o)
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[04:21:55] <Sharky> Looking for some help regarding search utility fault after a trac migration. The search module does not return any hits when searching with numbers. Using the # shortcut still works fine but trac numbers are not included in general search. ie a search for '27' results will not include trac #270. Is this fault recoverable?
[04:22:26] <Sharky> Note: Used delete ticket to remove a fair number of old tickets too. Mentioned in case this has any bearing.
[04:24:58] <Sharky> any pointers appreciated
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[04:41:17] <mcarter> Hello
[04:41:53] <mcarter> I have multiple trac projects on one machine, but the [project] descr setting from one of them is interfering with another
[04:42:25] <mcarter> I don't suppose that this is a known (or now resolved) problem?
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[06:33:39] <mohbana> hi, can i export from trac to bugzilla?hi, can i export from trac to bugzilla?
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[06:41:25] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: Ticket #7572 (trac query failed) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7572>
[06:45:03] <mohbana> no?
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[06:47:49] <jhammel> mohbana: have you looked on trac-hacks.org to see if there is a solution?
[06:48:17] <jhammel> mohbana: i believe there is bugzilla2trac though can't imagine why anyone would want to go the other way ;)
[06:50:16] <mohbana> jhammel: quick question, why does trac always lose my search settings for instance visit; https://lampsvn.epfl.ch/trac/scala and then 'view tickets'
[06:50:32] <mohbana> my filters are always lost when i logout, it's so annoying
[06:51:08] <jhammel> mohbana: just to let you know that gives me a certificate FF says is invalid
[06:51:14] * jhammel adds an exception
[06:52:44] <mohbana> for instance, this is my normal work flow, 1. view tickets 2. create a custom filter 3. define; reporter 'is' me, now when i logout or resit the page my search settings are lost
[06:54:31] <jhammel> mohbana: that i don't know about; anyone?
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[06:54:59] <mohbana> is trac built so that search settings don't persist across session?
[06:55:04] <mohbana> sessions
[06:55:56] <jhammel> i thought there was a way to save these, but now i'm not sure
[06:56:10] <jhammel> did you disable the report module? you could make a report, which is my usual approach
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[08:20:45] <Alocado> hello
[08:21:40] <Alocado> i've the same problem decribed in #3371 ... but it's funny
[08:22:30] <Alocado> i have 2 trac environments with same configuration (except tiny differences like project name..)
[08:22:53] <Alocado> with one environment the error NEVER! occurs, but with the new one it occurs every 10th click...
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[08:33:26] <pacopablo> Alocado: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracSubversion#instance-dict-restricted-mode
[08:33:30] <pacopablo> that doesn't fix it?
[08:36:10] <Alocado> atm yes... is the order in the apache config important?
[08:36:38] <pacopablo> um, not that I'm aware of, but I don't use apache, either
[08:37:03] <Alocado> if "PythonInterpreter main_interpreter" was at the end of my location block, the error occurs furthermore
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[09:12:33] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracUsers edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracUsers?version=738>
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[09:17:18] <bencer> pacopablo: do you know if the mod_python bug which breaks accountmanager plugin is still present on debian lenny packages ?
[09:17:50] <pacopablo> bencer: was there a ticket for it?
[09:18:26] <bencer> it should, but i can't find it
[09:18:29] <pacopablo> I don't use debian, nor their packages, so I'm not aware of which bug you're talking about
[09:20:08] <bencer> pacopablo: the md5 bugs which prevents HtDigest, HtPasswd an so on working with mod_python
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[09:21:03] <bencer> i've just installed accountmanager on a lenny srv but i can't auth with the new created users
[09:25:38] <pacopablo> well, if you can find me a ticket, I can take a look at it
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[09:44:11] <aidehua> I'm getting the error "NotFoundError: Path error.cs not found" in Ubuntu 8.04's Trac installation (v 0.10.4).
[09:44:26] <aidehua> Is it the case that this error can be fixed by installing a newer version of clearsilver?
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[11:31:27] <ErikRose__> Is there a way to hide the annoying parenthetical [[ListTagged(SomeTag)]] spits out?
[11:31:43] <ErikRose__> It prints " * SomePageTaggedWithTag (SomeTag)"
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[11:35:43] <jhammel> ErikRose: was meaning to ask you, if you're willing to distribute your source, could you put a link on http://track-hacks.org/wiki/SvnUrlsPlugin to your implementation (and whatever else you might want to put there too)?
[11:35:56] <jhammel> er, trac-hacks
[11:36:49] <ErikRose> jhammel: Sure, I'll package it up.
[11:36:57] <ErikRose> My source is already available, of course.
[11:37:09] <jhammel> ErikRose: awesome, its appreciated;
[11:37:14] <ErikRose> I should probably rename my copy to avoid confusion.
[11:37:32] <jhammel> MinimalSvnUrls ;)
[11:37:35] <ErikRose> :-)
[11:37:44] <ErikRose> Lite Diet
[11:37:56] <ErikRose> No-Carb
[11:38:18] <jhammel> its a better reference implementation than my plugin, since it doesnt have all the nonsense of throwing the URLs in the table
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[11:38:33] <ErikRose> otay
[11:38:48] <ErikRose> I figured one more click to drill into whatever node you want was worth the lack of visual complexity.
[11:38:49] <jhammel> (and the unrelated linking of /changset to the latest changeset, which honestly i don't know why trac doesn't do)
[11:39:21] <jhammel> ErikRose: i agree; while the idea was mine, i made the mistake of asking others what features they'd want from the plugin
[11:39:31] <ErikRose> hehe. Never listen to your users. ;-)
[11:39:33] <jhammel> so i got the links in the table
[11:39:42] <ErikRose> That was some impressive Genshi-ing.
[11:39:44] <jhammel> *especially* when they're mainly your coworkers ;)
[11:40:03] <ErikRose> I didn't even notice the changeset thing. Intersting.
[11:40:15] <jhammel> ErikRose: i can't take credit for it...cmlenz helped a bunch (and snuck in a patch right before 0.5 was released)
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[11:47:53] <doki_pen> what happens when no base_url is specified
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[12:02:04] <jhammel> osimons: was meaning to ask you, re #7562, if anything besides the email obfuscation was of critical importance
[12:02:30] <jhammel> osimons: i played with the rest of things and don't see any show-stoppers, just annoyances
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[12:03:00] <jhammel> osimons: though i am of the opinion that unlinked_fields should go to linked_fields, as said in the ticket (will submit a [admittedly trivial] patch at some point)
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[12:24:00] <osimons> jhammel: hi there. well, mostly annoyances more than critical. but i do think we need some fixes - checkbox linkable, textarea never linked, and textfields i'm ok with the option to 'unlink' them. lastly, i don't particularly like external plugin fields appearing in Trac - adding that setting should just be part of your (or any) plugin docs.
[12:26:24] <osimons> rblank: on the topic of custom fields we talked about the other night, you know custom fields is already kind of pluggable? A plugin just has to add the needed 'ticket-custom' options to its own component, and they are of course available even though nothing exists in trac.ini. Quite a neat trick... :-)
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[12:27:01] <FlaPer87> is it possible to use trac with a remote svn server?
[12:27:19] <osimons> jhammel: naturally, you can't do that with t&e now that it is a Trac field... :-|
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[12:27:44] <jhammel> FlaPer87: not really?
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[12:27:45] <osimons> FlaPer87: nope. it needs local read trough the bindings.
[12:27:57] <jhammel> FlaPer87: you can mirror it...that's the best option
[12:28:40] <FlaPer87> jhammel: mirroring could be a good solution
[12:29:09] <jhammel> FlaPer87: you can do it yourself, easily enough, or i wrote the SvnSyncPlugin
[12:29:51] <jhammel> osimons: not really sure what you mean re external plugin fields? you mean the unlinked_fields?
[12:30:51] <osimons> yes
[12:31:05] <osimons> the defaults for that option
[12:31:24] <jhammel> osimons: sure; that's one reason i was suggesting it be linked_fields and have the inverse behavior
[12:32:21] <FlaPer87> jhammel: thanks, I'll take a look to it
[12:33:13] <osimons> jhammel: doing the autoquery, we should treat all fields alike - default on for all fields - regular or custom (excluding textarea). the unliked_fields makes sense to me.
[12:33:46] <osimons> but hey, that is just my opinion.
[12:34:21] <jhammel> osimons: my only hesitation are custom text fields...these could make sense to link to....or not, depending on what they are
[12:35:50] <rblank> osimons: About custom fields: Yes, nice trick indeed. Why doesn't MasterTicketsPlugin make use of that? IIRC, its documentation still mentions that you have to add the fields to trac.ini.
[12:36:27] <osimons> jhammel: same goes for regular fields of course - like keywords. a query to 'needinfo patch ticket docs' is not all that useful...
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[12:38:42] <osimons> rblank: dunno. coderanger usually uses all tricks in the book, but you're right, i haven't seen this in the wild much.
[12:44:57] <rblank> osimons: I'm looking at ticket.api, but I can't find the interface for custom fields. Also, TicketSystem.get_custom_fields() seems to only look at trac.ini. Is this done through some config trickery?
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[12:46:20] <osimons> rblank: no more than config is trickery - ie, if you have nothing in the file it reads it off the Option in components (that it polls when creating the initial file)
[12:47:23] <osimons> rblank: there is no interface for custom fields per se. i made one for my customfieldadmin plugin a long time ago, but that code shows its age (and my progression, i suppose :-)
[12:47:55] <rblank> osimons: Ah, so you define a "duplicate" Option directive in your plugin, and it automagically gets included.
[12:48:04] <rblank> Does that work if more than one plugin uses the trick?
[12:48:08] <osimons> no, not duplicate
[12:48:30] <rblank> Well, not duplicate because it's not defined in TicketSystem.
[12:48:56] <osimons> right - no ticket-custom is defined anywhere unless you do it yourself. but if it is defined in a file, the of course that is used
[12:49:13] <rblank> And if it's defined in several files?
[12:49:19] <rblank> I.e. several plugins?
[12:49:33] <osimons> then you have an undefined output...
[12:49:55] <rblank> Right, that's what I though. I'd be tempted to call this a hack more than a feature :-)
[12:50:05] <osimons> which is why i said that jhammel cannot use his 'unlinked_fields' option now that it is part of trac core
[12:50:33] <rblank> So at some point, we'll need an ICustomFieldProvider, I guess.
[12:50:47] <osimons> rblank: a hack indeed, but for custom fields that is just a naming issue - like no component would think of answering to 'wiki'
[12:51:27] <osimons> name the fields myprefix_myoption for instance, and likelyhood of a clash tends towards 0...
[12:52:04] <rblank> osimons: Ah, now I get it! As long as you define different *option* names, everything works. I thought you'd have undefined output if two plugins define the same option *section*. Which would be silly, as this is already the case for other options. Sorry for the confusion.
[12:52:28] <osimons> yes - anyone can contribute to whatever section they like.
[12:52:45] <rblank> Ok, I take the "hack" back :-)
[12:53:05] <osimons> all options are gathered together in one big sack. keep names unique, and all is well.
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[12:54:43] * osimons appreciates that...
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[13:05:35] <ErikRose> Is there a good way to find orphaned wiki pages?
[13:13:30] <bergheim> I have a number of projects running trac 0.10.5. Much to worry about if I upgrade trac to 0.11.1?
[13:13:51] <ErikRose> bergheim: Hang on. I'll give you my step-by-step...
[13:14:55] <ErikRose> bergheim: You have to "deploy" to get a copy of trac.fcgi now:
[13:15:05] <ErikRose> For example, trac-admin /var/lib/trac/sandbox deploy /usr/local/share/trac
[13:15:12] <ErikRose> chmod a+x /usr/local/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi
[13:15:46] <ErikRose> Then, if you were doing trac.ini inheritence, you'll need an explicit [inherit] section in each env's ini.
[13:16:14] <ErikRose> If you have custom templates, you'll need to convert them to Genshi.
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[13:18:27] <bergheim> ErikRose: hum. Afaik, I don't use fastcgi but mod_python and apache2
[13:18:44] <ErikRose> Then I don't know any more than you could learn by reading the wiki. :-)
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[13:19:22] <bergheim> Nor do I do any inheritance (that I know of, but that probably means I don't), but I do have a few custom templates
[13:19:53] <ErikRose> Read http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracInterfaceCustomization, under SIte Appearance
[13:20:00] <ErikRose> It's good.
[13:22:28] <bergheim> Is 0.11 worth it then? I don't care much about genshi, "New configurable workflow in the ticket subsystem" *seems* nice, but I haven't seen it ofcourse..
[13:23:03] <retracile> The configurable workflow is _wonderful!_
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[13:23:13] * retracile isn't the least bit biased... noooooo....
[13:23:18] <retracile> ;)
[13:23:23] <ErikRose> I like the flippy downy arrows in Browser Source, svn annotation, TracTags support, and some other darn thing.
[13:23:51] <retracile> The "flippy downy arrows" sometimes crash Konqueror. :(
[13:23:59] <bergheim> aw
[13:24:00] <ErikRose> Sadness :-(
[13:24:08] <ErikRose> Not that that's Trac's fault
[13:25:06] <bergheim> How is 0.11 with git?
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[13:25:42] <retracile> ErikRose: No argument there. And Firefox has no problems with it.
[13:25:52] <ErikRose> WebKit good here.
[13:26:54] <tmckay> how do I make images links and then link to images with the trac wiki?
[13:27:50] <retracile> tmckay: [[Image()]] macro; some link related things are newly supported in 0.11.
[13:29:36] <doki_pen> does anyone know of a ticket for a parent_base_url on t.e.o?
[13:29:40] <doki_pen> before I create a new one
[13:29:46] <tmckay> retracile: yeah i know the Image macro, but what i want is something like this <a href="attached-large-image.png"><img src="attached-thumbnail-image.png" /></a>
[13:30:30] <retracile> tmckay: IIRC, you'd have to use an html block to do that for 0.10. I think you can do that with the Image() macro in 0.11. link= argument maybe?
[13:31:09] <doki_pen> also, take a look at my patch
[13:31:11] <doki_pen> http://pastie.org/262033
[13:31:51] <tmckay> retracile: i tried to use the html processor but it wasn't working correctly
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[13:44:40] <evil_twin> New news from t.e.o: TracAndVersioning edited <http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracAndVersioning?version=7> || Ticket #7573 (base_url for many projects is painful) created <http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7573>
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[13:52:59] <jhammel> doki_pen: re http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/7573, any reason not to use [inherit]file=...?
[13:53:13] <doki_pen> huh?
[13:53:25] <doki_pen> you would use it
[13:53:33] <doki_pen> sorry, maybe I wasn't verbose enough
[13:53:50] <doki_pen> you would use parent_base_path in your parent trac.ini
[13:54:09] <doki_pen> it would be something like parent_base_path = http://trac.edgewall.org/projects/
[13:54:31] <doki_pen> the patch would append the dir name, similare to TRAC_PARENT_PATH
[13:54:32] <jhammel> doki_pen: oh, i see what you're saying; yeah, that seems right
[13:56:11] <doki_pen> it would probably be better if you could just do this: base_url: %(parent_base_url)/myproject
[13:56:24] <doki_pen> but interpolation and inheritance don't work together
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